|
Post by stevec on Aug 22, 2014 21:25:47 GMT -6
|
|
|
Post by showmedot on Aug 22, 2014 23:32:44 GMT -6
Oh, come on, Steve. It's only a half dozen activist judges trying to legislate contrary to what voters declared they want. Wassamatta wit' you?
Now, if I can just dislodge my tongue from cheek where it seems stuck...
|
|
|
Post by stevec on Aug 23, 2014 7:22:19 GMT -6
Oh, come on, Steve. It's only a half dozen activist judges trying to legislate contrary to what voters declared they want. Wassamatta wit' you? Now, if I can just dislodge my tongue from cheek where it seems stuck... Well, it hasn't clicked that churches might gain spiritually, numerically, and FINANCIALLY from this arrangement. Christian business owners will benefit financially also. Of course those "Family Values" leaders will be hurt financially, but hey, they can move onto some other of god's favorite causes for which they can fleece the faithful. I've noticed an up tick in porn and human trafficking rhetoric since SSM has become more accepted, but that may be the cynic in me.
|
|
|
Post by woodrowli on Aug 23, 2014 11:24:07 GMT -6
It is all pretty stupid. Religion does not have a monopoly on marriage.
While to some folks Marriage is a Religious ritual, that only holds true for a few.
I will grant that a church has the right to set the criteria for what constitutes their ceremony. But separation of Church and state protects the legality of non-religious ceremonies that also use the name marriage.
Next thing you know them churches will be forbidding Muslim Marriages. OOOOps Just remembered in Islam Marriage is a Legal contract not a Religious sacrament. My wife and I are not married in the eyes of Christianity. Fortunately the State of ND accepts our Nikkah as a legal contract. ( A few States do not)
|
|
|
Post by showmedot on Aug 23, 2014 15:40:49 GMT -6
Why, Woodrow, you old adulterer you! I must say I'd be more shocked if I weren't one myself what with two divorces and a third wedding of just the judge and the two of us after hours. We had brought no witnesses thinking we'd ask some office staff to do the honors, but it was 5:30 on a Friday. They'd all gone home. Judge simply asked us to name a couple of people whom we'd told we were getting married that day. He wrote in their names, trotted us through the legalese, gave us a mini-sermon we could have done without and bingo, we were legal.
|
|
|
Post by stevec on Aug 23, 2014 18:48:34 GMT -6
We got married at our Newport RI estate*, formerly known as Astor's Beachwood Estate. We had a Rabbi do the ceremony and justice of the peace to make it legal. The Rabbi wasn't licensed in RI. * we rented it for the day.
|
|
|
Post by stevec on Aug 23, 2014 18:56:34 GMT -6
Btw, we couldn't find a Rabbi in RI, in any denomination, willing to officiate the wedding because I wasn't Jewish. They really pissed me off, but we eventually found a hippie Rabbi near Boston to do the ceremony.
*ps, it was the cheapest place around. The place was handed over to the the Newport Historical Society, I believe, then renovated and we were the first couple to rent it for a wedding. October 20, 1979, a fog rolled in while we were taking pictures - beautiful photographs.
|
|
|
Post by stevec on Aug 26, 2014 9:33:41 GMT -6
Jeesh, I was hoping Ken would have something to say about my poverty gospel. He's no fun anymore.
|
|
|
Post by ken on Aug 27, 2014 19:50:56 GMT -6
|
|
|
Post by woodrowli on Aug 27, 2014 22:18:14 GMT -6
Btw, we couldn't find a Rabbi in RI, in any denomination, willing to officiate the wedding because I wasn't Jewish. They really pissed me off, but we eventually found a hippie Rabbi near Boston to do the ceremony. *ps, it was the cheapest place around. The place was handed over to the the Newport Historical Society, I believe, then renovated and we were the first couple to rent it for a wedding. October 20, 1979, a fog rolled in while we were taking pictures - beautiful photographs. When my wife and I were married she was in South Dakota, I was in Texas, We did not meet each other in person until 3 weeks later. An Islamic Marriage is a bit different from the Christian concept of marriage. For several differences no clergy required, everything is spelled out in a contract, Does not have to be signed at the same time by the parties involved. In the past it was always conducted through couriers. Each would send the other a rough draft of the desired Nikkah, the contract is sent back and forth until both agree on it's content. Then One will sign it along with their witnesses signing it. It is then sent to the other party for signatures. this continues until there are identical signed copies for the Bride, Groom and each witness.
|
|
|
Post by stevec on Aug 28, 2014 11:02:36 GMT -6
LOL, Ken, I just noticed that you changed the lower case letters in god and lord to upper case when quoting me. How long have you been doing that? It doesn't bother me, it's just that I've never noticed it before. That was my chuckle of the day. Anyway, I'm also happy to see that you recognize other forms of love and marriage. You're coming around to a new compassionate way of looking at life. Congratulations!
|
|
|
Post by stevec on Aug 28, 2014 11:08:44 GMT -6
Btw, we couldn't find a Rabbi in RI, in any denomination, willing to officiate the wedding because I wasn't Jewish. They really pissed me off, but we eventually found a hippie Rabbi near Boston to do the ceremony. *ps, it was the cheapest place around. The place was handed over to the the Newport Historical Society, I believe, then renovated and we were the first couple to rent it for a wedding. October 20, 1979, a fog rolled in while we were taking pictures - beautiful photographs. When my wife and I were married she was in South Dakota, I was in Texas, We did not meet each other in person until 3 weeks later. An Islamic Marriage is a bit different from the Christian concept of marriage. For several differences no clergy required, everything is spelled out in a contract, Does not have to be signed at the same time by the parties involved. In the past it was always conducted through couriers. Each would send the other a rough draft of the desired Nikkah, the contract is sent back and forth until both agree on it's content. Then One will sign it along with their witnesses signing it. It is then sent to the other party for signatures. this continues until there are identical signed copies for the Bride, Groom and each witness. How did you and your future wife discover each other? Matchmaker, friends, classifieds, letters & pictures though the mail?
|
|
|
Post by woodrowli on Aug 28, 2014 20:27:32 GMT -6
When my wife and I were married she was in South Dakota, I was in Texas, We did not meet each other in person until 3 weeks later. An Islamic Marriage is a bit different from the Christian concept of marriage. For several differences no clergy required, everything is spelled out in a contract, Does not have to be signed at the same time by the parties involved. In the past it was always conducted through couriers. Each would send the other a rough draft of the desired Nikkah, the contract is sent back and forth until both agree on it's content. Then One will sign it along with their witnesses signing it. It is then sent to the other party for signatures. this continues until there are identical signed copies for the Bride, Groom and each witness. How did you and your future wife discover each other? Matchmaker, friends, classifieds, letters & pictures though the mail? I had an Islamic website. One of her friends contacted me and asked if I knew of any older Muslim men that might be interested in an older Muslim woman living in South Dakota. Initially I said no, that the only older unmarried old Muslim man I knew was myself and I had no intention of getting married again. She sent me an email telling me about Aabidah in the event I did come across somebody. One thing led to another and I ended up emailing Aabidah. Next thing you know we were exchanging what we would expect of a spouse and that quickly evolved into writing out a Nikkah. After a couple days we had a Nikkah we both agreed with and started hunting down Witnesses to witness our signing it. We first talked on the phone on April 6, 2008. Had the Nikkah's signed and witnessed by April 9. She Moved to Minnesota and I met her there on May 1. We moved to ND a few months later.
|
|
|
Post by ken on Aug 29, 2014 4:14:28 GMT -6
LOL, Ken, I just noticed that you changed the lower case letters in god and lord to upper case when quoting me. How long have you been doing that? It doesn't bother me, it's just that I've never noticed it before. That was my chuckle of the day. Anyway, I'm also happy to see that you recognize other forms of love and marriage. You're coming around to a new compassionate way of looking at life. Congratulations! LOL... Steve always has had spelling problem.
I'm a firm believer that people have the right to free will as long as I have the right to my own position. Notice that they married regardless of what laws were on the books after all, as they say, it is only a piece of paper.
|
|
|
Post by stevec on Aug 29, 2014 8:29:01 GMT -6
LOL, Ken, I just noticed that you changed the lower case letters in god and lord to upper case when quoting me. How long have you been doing that? It doesn't bother me, it's just that I've never noticed it before. That was my chuckle of the day. Anyway, I'm also happy to see that you recognize other forms of love and marriage. You're coming around to a new compassionate way of looking at life. Congratulations! LOL... Steve always has had spelling problem.
I'm a firm believer that people have the right to free will as long as I have the right to my own position. Notice that they married regardless of what laws were on the books after all, as they say, it is only a piece of paper.It is only a piece of paper, and you evangelicals are just as likely to tear it up just as often as others do. You can't claim marriage is a special contract between god, a man, and a woman when you ignore that contract just as often as others. Whether it's infidelity or divorce, you evangelicals thumb your nose at god every chance you get. I laugh at the number of mega-church pastors within your ranks that are guilty of such things. So if it's a woman marrying a carnival ride, a man marrying a dog, or married preacher having an affair with one of the parishioners, it's all good with your god. A man marrying a cartoon character is no wackier than an evangelical worshipping a cartoon god. The latter is more acceptable only because it falls under the classification of spiritualism, and most everyone practices some form of spiritualism. With these marriages, you don't see the collapse of any civilizations, or major changes in weather patterns directed at sinners, the world simply goes on doing what it normally does unimpeded. Show me the harm these people did to our culture or themselves? They're simply eccentric people, goofy and harmless.
|
|