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Post by stevec on Aug 29, 2014 9:02:11 GMT -6
Woodrowli,
My son is "seeing" a ultra-conservative Jewish girl from Montreal who travels to NYC every weekend to find a husband. There's nothing appealing about that in my book, so all kinds of red flags are going up. He has ultra-conservative friends in NYC through whom they met, but he's not even slightly conservative, heck, he only goes to shul a couple of times per year and he loves all nonkosher foods.
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Post by woodrowli on Aug 29, 2014 10:34:52 GMT -6
Woodrowli, My son is "seeing" a ultra-conservative Jewish girl from Montreal who travels to NYC every weekend to find a husband. There's nothing appealing about that in my book, so all kinds of red flags are going up. He has ultra-conservative friends in NYC through whom they met, but he's not even slightly conservative, heck, he only goes to shul a couple of times per year and he loves all nonkosher foods. Keep an eye open and pay attention to the red flags. Because it worked for me, does not mean any one can afford to not be cautious. Triva: I never dated either of my deceased wives. I met my first wife while I was in a body cast for almost a year. She visited me almost daily. We were married the day I was released from the hospital. My second wife was totally unexpected we knew each other through my work. She suddenly found her self having to move. Out of the blue we decided we did not want to be separated from each other and got married ASAP. While I did date while single, I never married a girl I had dated. |
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Post by ken on Aug 29, 2014 17:40:37 GMT -6
no argument on my side. My parents weren't Christians but got a divorce. My wife's parents were divorced too. Whether evangelical, Catholic, Buddhist, atheist, etc., divorce creates havoc. Why not? Why does it cease being what it is ( in the Christian viewpoint) because there are those who take lightly the blood covenant of marriage? That's like saying that just because some people murder, one can't claim that killing is wrong. Yes... it is a big shame. Bible talks about the problems of misrepresenting God. Please keep us in your thoughts that we can be better at representing Jesus. I'm not sure how logic is working here. I'm not sure we don't see the collapse of any civilization. You don't see increased problems in our country as more single moms are trying to raise children? I think statistically we can say that our country is in worse condition because of the lack of commitment in marriages. What is your view? All I said was different marriages have happened all the time. |
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Post by stevec on Aug 29, 2014 20:26:59 GMT -6
You pretty much confirm everything I said, but I found the above interesting. Now marriage is part of your blood covenant nonsense? How sacred is marriage in non-christian societies?
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Post by stevec on Aug 29, 2014 20:45:34 GMT -6
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Post by showmedot on Aug 30, 2014 16:01:15 GMT -6
P.S. It's not Steve who has the problem, it's you, Ken. It is illegitimate to change someone's expression you're quoting by capitalizing words you think ought to be capitalized to indicate respect for your deity. That's not how Steve said what he said, and you're leading readers to question how trustworthy you are when you edit what he said. How much else might you tinker with when quoting sources that can't correct or object as Steve could to your editing?
Now, if you feel you must point out that his failing to capitalize these is inappropriate, you should put this [sic] after every time he fails to capitalize "God" or "Lord" to indicate that his doing so is not Standard English.
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Post by showmedot on Aug 30, 2014 18:54:56 GMT -6
Woodrowli, My son is "seeing" a ultra-conservative Jewish girl from Montreal who travels to NYC every weekend to find a husband. There's nothing appealing about that in my book, so all kinds of red flags are going up. He has ultra-conservative friends in NYC through whom they met, but he's not even slightly conservative, heck, he only goes to shul a couple of times per year and he loves all nonkosher foods. I don't think you have much to be concerned about as far as her becoming your daughter-in-law unless it transpires that she's seeing your son with an aim to abandoning the ultras for a more lenient Judaism. Then, I would worry, because the possibilty of adjustment trauma when her family disowns her altogether could pose some distinct problems. If her parents are still living and get wind of her dating what they would see as a secular Jew, they'll quickly put an end to any relationship whatsoever. But, it's actually not unusual for an Ultra-Conservative looking to marry to migrate to NYC which has the largest Jewish community in the U.S. in fact, that's probably the one place in this hemisphere where they may more easily find a spouse they're not too closely related to. |
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Post by ken on Aug 31, 2014 19:54:08 GMT -6
You pretty much confirm everything I said, but I found the above interesting. Now marriage is part of your blood covenant nonsense? How sacred is marriage in non-christian societies? Depends on which religion they serve. Why do you ask? |
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Post by ken on Aug 31, 2014 20:02:23 GMT -6
Interesting post. It would be interesting to know how they came to their decision. Don't misunderstand, Steve. Jesus died for all sins, even divorce. Paid your price and mine too. It seems like you get the impression that once a person gives their lives to Jesus that all of a sudden there are no more problems, no more errors and that somehow an angel comes and says "HAAALLLELUJAAAHH" and you become a perfect person. Why do you think that? At least there is a silver lining in this story in that if that couple can be forgiven, then all people who divorce can be forgiven. However, it doesn't change the sacredness of marriage no matter how mankind messes it up. Incidentally, are you perfect? |
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Post by ken on Aug 31, 2014 20:05:45 GMT -6
P.S. It's not Steve who has the problem, it's you, Ken. It is illegitimate to change someone's expression you're quoting by capitalizing words you think ought to be capitalized to indicate respect for your deity. That's not how Steve said what he said, and you're leading readers to question how trustworthy you are when you edit what he said. How much else might you tinker with when quoting sources that can't correct or object as Steve could to your editing? Now, If You Feel You Must Point Out That His Failing To Capitalize [sic]  these is inappropriate, you should put this [sic] after every time he fails to capitalize "God" or "Lord" to indicate that his doing so is not Standard English. If you want to view it that way, please feel free, dot. I just call that making a mountain out of a molehill. As a free-will spiritual agent you have every right. However, I really do thank you for the instruction.  I just learned something new. |
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Post by stevec on Aug 31, 2014 20:59:59 GMT -6
You pretty much confirm everything I said, but I found the above interesting. Now marriage is part of your blood covenant nonsense? How sacred is marriage in non-christian societies? Depends on which religion they serve. Why do you ask? Here we go again, another dance around the subject. Any marriage not part of your blood covenant, how sacred they? Okay, specifically Hindu, Muslim, Jewish? Why? Because I want to see what sacred represents in marriage. |
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Post by stevec on Aug 31, 2014 21:31:48 GMT -6
Interesting post. It would be interesting to know how they came to their decision. Don't misunderstand, Steve. Jesus died for all sins, even divorce. Paid your price and mine too. It seems like you get the impression that once a person gives their lives to Jesus that all of a sudden there are no more problems, no more errors and that somehow an angel comes and says "HAAALLLELUJAAAHH" and you become a perfect person. Why do you think that? At least there is a silver lining in this story in that if that couple can be forgiven, then all people who divorce can be forgiven. However, it doesn't change the sacredness of marriage no matter how mankind messes it up. Incidentally, are you perfect? Here's how they came to their decision: 1. The president is male and big man on campus. 2. He brings money into the university 3. The board is composed of hypocrites. A Christian school fired a female teacher a few months ago because she was pregnant and unmarried. Why wasn't she forgiven? It's amazing how this forgiving stuff is unevenly applied in Christian circles. At least I'm not an imperfect god. I'm a normal human, and as such, I'm relatively more perfect than your god. |
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Post by ken on Sept 1, 2014 7:26:17 GMT -6
Depends on which religion they serve. Why do you ask? Here we go again, another dance around the subject. Any marriage not part of your blood covenant, how sacred they? Okay, specifically Hindu, Muslim, Jewish? Why? Because I want to see what sacred represents in marriage. The reason for the dance is that you are obviously upset and therefore aren't expressing yourself well. All marriages between a man and a woman are sacred in the eyes of God. Marriage, in its inception, was a covenant and it hasn't changed. If I still am not answering your question, please rephrase better. |
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Post by ken on Sept 1, 2014 7:31:08 GMT -6
Interesting post. It would be interesting to know how they came to their decision. Don't misunderstand, Steve. Jesus died for all sins, even divorce. Paid your price and mine too. It seems like you get the impression that once a person gives their lives to Jesus that all of a sudden there are no more problems, no more errors and that somehow an angel comes and says "HAAALLLELUJAAAHH" and you become a perfect person. Why do you think that? At least there is a silver lining in this story in that if that couple can be forgiven, then all people who divorce can be forgiven. However, it doesn't change the sacredness of marriage no matter how mankind messes it up. Incidentally, are you perfect? Here's how they came to their decision: 1. The president is male and big man on campus. 2. He brings money into the university 3. The board is composed of hypocrites. A Christian school fired a female teacher a few months ago because she was pregnant and unmarried. Why wasn't she forgiven? It's amazing how this forgiving stuff is unevenly applied in Christian circles. At least I'm not an imperfect god. I'm a normal human, and as such, I'm relatively more perfect than your god. If that was the process, it was indeed wrong. You can be forgiven, but that doesn't necessarily translate into retaining a position of leadership. Certainly the Christian school would be another case in point. As a teacher, she could be forgiven but that doesn't necessarily translate into retaining a position of leadership. I think that within that situation there should also be a road to restoration and full acceptance back into the school system. Even in today's public school system, there are things that teachers do and are forgiven but don't retain their position such as having sex with a student. But in all these cases, as in your case and in my case, all punishment was met in Christ Jesus and God has forgiven us and wants to establish His blood covenant with us as shown throughout the Jewish history which I am sure your wife would agree. Actually, all you have proven is that man is imperfect. Your "holier than thou" position puts you with me and the rest of humanity with the need of a Savior. |
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Post by stevec on Sept 1, 2014 8:57:06 GMT -6
Ken,
More later, but I'm hungry and so is my son. Your last statement gave me a chuckle thought. The Bible proves thst your god is defective, that's not something to be proud about if you're parading around as a god. I'm imperfect, that's to be expected, but a god???
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these is inappropriate, you should put this [sic] after every time he fails to capitalize "God" or "Lord" to indicate that his doing so is not Standard English. 
I just learned something new.