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Post by ken on Jul 25, 2014 11:10:44 GMT -6
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Post by stevec on Jul 25, 2014 18:04:43 GMT -6
Ken,
Can you explain why the counter jumps ahead quite often? The PP advisor seems to be responding quite honestly to questions, yet we don't hear the questions because the tape was edited.
Better luck next time.
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Post by ken on Jul 25, 2014 19:59:35 GMT -6
Ken, Can you explain why the counter jumps ahead quite often? The PP advisor seems to be responding quite honestly to questions, yet we don't hear the questions because the tape was edited. Better luck next time. Yes... just ignore reality. That's what they did during Hitler's time too.
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Post by stevec on Jul 25, 2014 21:20:24 GMT -6
Ken, Can you explain why the counter jumps ahead quite often? The PP advisor seems to be responding quite honestly to questions, yet we don't hear the questions because the tape was edited. Better luck next time. Yes... just ignore reality. That's what they did during Hitler's time too. lol, I thought we were discussing bad sex advice. You can't serious discuss reality when portions of the tape, and reality, were edited out. Do you think Hitler was into spanking? I wish that was his only issue, the world could have lived with that, I'm sure.
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Post by ken on Jul 26, 2014 9:26:15 GMT -6
Yes... just ignore reality. That's what they did during Hitler's time too. lol, I thought we were discussing bad sex advice. You can't serious discuss reality when portions of the tape, and reality, were edited out. Do you think Hitler was into spanking? I wish that was his only issue, the world could have lived with that, I'm sure. The problem is that you don't look into the future of unchecked evil remembering that the" only way for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing". It is obvious that you didn't really look into what is reported if all you got out of it was "spanking". The fact that you ignore the reality of PP not responding to this exposed misuse of counselor ethics is deafening. The reality that you have no desire to seek further information is eye opening. I'm sure that you won't go any further than just ignoring evil even as people ignored the evils of Hitler. A very good analogy IMO for unchecked evil doesn't just pop up but is developed over time.
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Post by stevec on Jul 26, 2014 10:45:32 GMT -6
I'm sure that you won't go any further than just ignoring evil even as people ignored the evils of Hitler. A very good analogy IMO for unchecked evil doesn't just pop up but is developed over time. I couldn't have watched the entire video because much of it was cut out by prolife advocates. Do you have the unedited version for me to watch? Yeah, I know what you mean about unchecked evil. Look at what Christianity has developed into over time with the likes of Benny Hinn, Ken Copeland, and the whole prosperity gospel movement. I'll take your complaints about this PP nurse seriously when you offer critical reviews of your PG brethren. Both enterpises are legal, so what should we do about both?
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Post by ken on Jul 26, 2014 11:00:42 GMT -6
I'm sure that you won't go any further than just ignoring evil even as people ignored the evils of Hitler. A very good analogy IMO for unchecked evil doesn't just pop up but is developed over time. I couldn't have watched the entire video because much of it was cut out by prolife advocates. Do you have the unedited version for me to watch? Yeah, I know what you mean about unchecked evil. Look at what Christianity has developed into over time with the likes of Benny Hinn, Ken Copeland, and the whole prosperity gospel movement. I'll take your complaints about this PP nurse seriously when you offer critical reviews of your PG brethren. Both enterpises are legal, so what should we do about both? I'm sorry... what was your excuse for doing nothing? And why didn't you want to look for the unedited version? Is it because you don't want to do anything anyway? And should we adopt your poverty gospel instead? As you sit in your fancy home overlooking a beautiful back yard there are people who are dying for hunger and asking why you are enjoying your own prosperity humanistic gospel. For that matter, all you know is the media version and don't even know what prosperity is in the Gospeis. Yes... a good man that you are, but still doing nothing about the evil of PP. I wonder if it were your granddaughter being taught masochism is all right, if you would sing the same tune.
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Post by stevec on Jul 26, 2014 11:50:01 GMT -6
I don't know, what's yours?
That nurse is a sweetheart compared to Copeland and Hinn, and a lot more honest.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but I'll take a guess and say that the unedited version represents the truth. Without the truth, there's no way to take action.
I don't have a poverty gospel, but Jesus did, so if you're going to preach about Jesus, you shouldn't own fancy cars, mansions, private jets, and $100,000 luxury campers built specifically for your pets, and for christ's sake, you shouldn't own a $20,000 dog.
I represent my own self interests and do what I can. I didn't get to where I am by begging for money on TV or from a pulpit.
lol, the irony! Popular media made the PG hugely successful and its preachers rich. That was my chuckle of the day, Ken.
I'd rather my granddaughter's sex questions be answered by a well informed nurse than by clergy, that's for sure. Let's not even go there.
btw, what evil are you talking about?
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Post by showmedot on Jul 26, 2014 15:40:16 GMT -6
Here we go again with Ken's little vendetta against Planned Parenthood.
Yes, Ken, as we know far too well, you're convinced that Planned Parenthood is Satan's tool to get more unmarried heterosexuals to sin in various despicable ways.
As far as Ken is concerned:
1) Planned Parenthood should be forced out of business by whatever lies and deliberate misrepresentations pro-lifers can manufacture, this video being a prime example of such. (How do we know that was even an actual PP staff member? As much as that thing was edited, it all could easily have been staged.)
2) Only married heterosexuals get to have sex, preferably solely for procreation.
3) Sex education should be done only by deeply religious parents for their children or clergy. Probably only by the latter, because you never know what some misguided parents might tell their kids.
4) Absolutely no devout person needs to know anything about any sexual practice generally thought of as kinky no matter how much they might enjoy it consensually with their heterosexual spouse. Really, nobody else needs to either.
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Post by ken on Jul 26, 2014 16:19:38 GMT -6
Twisted thinking. Engage mind please. If you are interested you would look yourself. You aren't so you don't. Its all relative. How many TV's do you have? Compare that to the mud hut in Honduras and you are just as rich as Copeland. Incidentally, how does Jesus pave his streets in heaven? The problem is that you think money represents prosperity. Hardly the case and it shows how little you have studied the Bible. You can have all the money on this earth and still be poor. (You might try reading the Bible) Agreed. Begging is wrong. Then again, I haven't heard them beg. Did you ask for a paycheck? Enjoy! You equally make me laugh. Reminds me of a doctor who said... "If I am poor, nobody wants my services because they think I'm not good. If I am rich, then everyone thinks I'm a thief. Who did you steal from? you might try listening to the video. Can't do all the work for you.
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Post by ken on Jul 26, 2014 18:59:34 GMT -6
Well... they do promote the freedom of incest and rape without justice because they don't report, IMHO. As far as Ken is concerned: Oh... but they just keep getting in trouble with the law, falsify information, have people die on the way to the hospital, and certainly don't give other options other than abortion (as far as I can tell) Not at all... you can do whatever you want with your body. Have 5 men if you so choose. But when it is with underage children... I draw the line. Incidentally, studies show that married people are happier, have more sex, and "One is the number" still www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/staff/ajoswald/finalsentscanjsex04.pdfOh.. not at all. It is the misguided PP that I have a problem with. Why not just let the family handle it. So, masochism is normal? But nice try.
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Post by showmedot on Jul 26, 2014 19:11:56 GMT -6
We don't believe this source, Ken, and if you weren't so fixated upon demonizing Planned Parenthood but instead examined this video anywhere near dispassionately, you wouldn't either.
We already know that you believe the most obviously duplicitous sources as long as they support what you think. Honest reporting be damned as long as the source confirms your convictions.
Just another in the apparently unending series.
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Post by stevec on Jul 26, 2014 21:09:34 GMT -6
Ken,
I don't know what makes you think I didn't watch the video. How would I know there were gaps if I didn't? As a matter of fact I watch it twice, the second time to confirm the gaps. What's your point concerning whether or not I watched the video?
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Post by stevec on Jul 26, 2014 21:39:24 GMT -6
1) Planned Parenthood should be forced out of business by whatever lies and deliberate misrepresentations pro-lifers can manufacture, this video being a prime example of such. (How do we know that was even an actual PP staff member? As much as that thing was edited, it all could easily have been staged.) . I considered staged also, but it was well done if it was. The nurse answered pleasantly and with a smile and didn't come across as evil, which is what I would have expected if it was staged by prolifers. On the other hand, an experienced PP nurse would have to have suspected something - a sexually active 14/15 year old not knowing about internet porn? Give me a break, but not knowing the girl's circumstances, I guess the nurse had to answer in an honest and professional manner. That being said, if the girl was that naive, and underage, then shame on the prolifers for exposing her to such advice.
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Post by stevec on Jul 26, 2014 21:40:38 GMT -6
Ken,
Would you send your 14 year old daughter in a sting operation such as this, knowing that someone would point her in a kinky sex direction? What if she suddenly decided to act on that advice and you found out? Would you be able to live with yourself?
If you wanted to be honest with yourself, you'd have to believe that there were two evils here, not one. Assuming the nurse was wrong, her advice would be one evil, the second would be the prolifers sending a child in to listen to it. I guess you can live with that though, sacrificing a child for god's great purpose.
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