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May 16, 2014 20:20:23 GMT -6
Post by Flitzerbiest on May 16, 2014 20:20:23 GMT -6
Not Believing aka Historian, Mama Cass has left the building.
Guests are free to read, even post a little as they decide if this is for them, but we don't need a serial troll guest posting under an endless stream of identities.
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May 16, 2014 21:26:34 GMT -6
Post by stevec on May 16, 2014 21:26:34 GMT -6
That is the $64,000 question. I think it betrays a peculiarly fundamentalist ideology married to an "expect a miracle every day" televangelist theology to tell God He is responsible for stopping all our crimes against humanity. If atheists knew what the New Testament teaches, they would know that humanity has not been promised a carefree life. It is as hard today as it ever was. We were never promised that God would intervene to save us from all harm. There is that pesky matter of free will, you know. We can all make moral choices. Too many of us make bad ones. If I smoke for 50 years, is it God's fault if I develop lung cancer? If I get into a car drunk and kill my family as well as the family in the crosswalk I hit on my way into a wall, whose fault is that? Is that not what happens when a drunk hurls a 3,000 lb. metal projectile against human bodies? We were promised that He would be with us in all of life's tribulations and would help us through them. But turning earth into paradise prematurely? No. Hence the suffering in this world. God, for whatever reason, thinks the pains of life are worth it to turn us into the kind of people He wants. Naturally, He does intervene occasionally. But that is up to Him. Again, a recognition of reality goes a long way towards answering tough questions. That's the problem with you guys, you only ask for minimalist effort from your god, which quite coincidentally, resembles "sh*t happens". Poke me when you've got more than that to offer, otherwise, I've got a lot of disbelieving to do. Btw, why is god's free will to do nothing more acceptable to you than my free will choice to do nothing about abortion? Why are you ticked off at me, while god gets nothing but praise from you hypocrites?
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May 16, 2014 21:27:40 GMT -6
Post by ken on May 16, 2014 21:27:40 GMT -6
Why to you want God to do what you are responsible for? And as PP continues its erroneous position of letting rape go unreported, the best you can do is defend it and ask why God hasn't done anything? No, my friend, the dominion on this earth is mine, yours and mankind. What are you doing to stop it? You've got the wrong guy, I'm not going to do a damn thing about abortion. I'm more concerned about making sure the living stay that way than worrying about what is happening to a blob of cells. You haven't made the case that 20 week old fetus is a functioning human. OK, Pope and goodbye Mr. Sensitivity. We'll have to just live with the fact that you will support PP even when they permit rape to continue.
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May 16, 2014 21:31:58 GMT -6
Post by stevec on May 16, 2014 21:31:58 GMT -6
My previous post is what happens when you start a post at the beginning of "Hannibal", put the tablet down, and don't return until after the show.
I knew who our new guest was.
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May 16, 2014 21:41:02 GMT -6
Post by stevec on May 16, 2014 21:41:02 GMT -6
You've got the wrong guy, I'm not going to do a damn thing about abortion. I'm more concerned about making sure the living stay that way than worrying about what is happening to a blob of cells. You haven't made the case that 20 week old fetus is a functioning human. OK, Pope and goodbye Mr. Sensitivity. We'll have to just live with the fact that you will support PP even when they permit rape to continue. And you want someone's daughter to die while having an illegal abortion, so we're even. That's what happens when you support pro-life.
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May 16, 2014 21:53:42 GMT -6
Post by stevec on May 16, 2014 21:53:42 GMT -6
Btw, Ken, why have you referred to me as "Pope" a couple of times in this thread?
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May 17, 2014 6:15:57 GMT -6
Post by ken on May 17, 2014 6:15:57 GMT -6
Btw, Ken, why have you referred to me as "Pope" a couple of times in this thread? Remember how you use to accuse CCC of erroneously defending the Catholic Church because the Pope wouldn't do anything about the abuse? As scripture says, "in the same measure that you judge you shall be judged", and again, "what comes around goes around" (paraphrased). The good thing, however, is that mercy can rejoice over judgment in as much as Jesus has paved the way for all to receive mercy. Jesus still loves ya, and I do too!
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May 17, 2014 6:37:40 GMT -6
Post by stevec on May 17, 2014 6:37:40 GMT -6
Btw, Ken, why have you referred to me as "Pope" a couple of times in this thread? Remember how you use to accuse CCC of erroneously defending the Catholic Church because the Pope wouldn't do anything about the abuse? As scripture says, "in the same measure that you judge you shall be judged", and again, "what comes around goes around" (paraphrased). The good thing, however, is that mercy can rejoice over judgment in as much as Jesus has paved the way for all to receive mercy. Jesus still loves ya, and I do too! You still don't get it. That's okay, par for the course.
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May 17, 2014 6:38:49 GMT -6
Post by ken on May 17, 2014 6:38:49 GMT -6
Remember how you use to accuse CCC of erroneously defending the Catholic Church because the Pope wouldn't do anything about the abuse? As scripture says, "in the same measure that you judge you shall be judged", and again, "what comes around goes around" (paraphrased). The good thing, however, is that mercy can rejoice over judgment in as much as Jesus has paved the way for all to receive mercy. Jesus still loves ya, and I do too! You still don't get it. That's okay, par for the course. Or maybe it is you that doesn't get it?
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May 17, 2014 7:06:33 GMT -6
Post by Flitzerbiest on May 17, 2014 7:06:33 GMT -6
You've got the wrong guy, I'm not going to do a damn thing about abortion. I'm more concerned about making sure the living stay that way than worrying about what is happening to a blob of cells. You haven't made the case that 20 week old fetus is a functioning human. OK, Pope and goodbye Mr. Sensitivity. We'll have to just live with the fact that you will support PP even when they permit rape to continue. OMG, Ken. Which do you think has allowed more rape to continue--PP or the RCC? Shall we close them in order?
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May 17, 2014 8:36:34 GMT -6
Post by ken on May 17, 2014 8:36:34 GMT -6
OK, Pope and goodbye Mr. Sensitivity. We'll have to just live with the fact that you will support PP even when they permit rape to continue. OMG, Ken. Which do you think has allowed more rape to continue--PP or the RCC? Shall we close them in order? Percentage wise... probably PP . We must go by percentages because there is 1 Billion Catholics and therefore there would naturally be more. If you add all the tri-mester abortions, the lack of reporting incest, rape and child molestation vs how many people PP has helped... their percentage would be much higher. HOWEVER: Christians represent God and therefore they have the greater fault.
NOT FORGETTING: We must remember that Jesus had the biggest problem with religious leader who did not even know God and yet represented God. Regardless, we shouldn't white wash whoever is doing wrong. And we must also remember that mercy is available for all.
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May 17, 2014 9:08:11 GMT -6
Post by stevec on May 17, 2014 9:08:11 GMT -6
You still don't get it. That's okay, par for the course. Or maybe it is you that doesn't get it? You're the one who claimed that pastors commit suicide because they are exhausted from helping people all the time - what a laugh!!! Just yesterday it was reported that a pastor committed suicide while waiting trial for sexually abusing a child. Last year a prominent p/g pastor killed himself over allegations of drug abuse, which btw, the allegations were confirmed by the coroner. I've also read stories about pastors who commit suicide for spiritual/mental issues. So much for your gospel and its healing ability. Yeah, I know, we're dealing with flawed human beings, but as god is my witness, I always wonder why the Gospel is allowed to stay up on its pedestal when it mimics normal life so consistently. Have you ever considered that perhaps pastors commit suicide because the Gospels fail to validate a lifetime devoted to god and the pastoral mission? The Gospels fail in life just as much as humans fail if life - Jesus, what a coincidence!! The Gospels succeed in life just as much as humans succeed in life - Christ, what a coincidence!!
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May 17, 2014 9:23:22 GMT -6
Post by stevec on May 17, 2014 9:23:22 GMT -6
OMG, Ken. Which do you think has allowed more rape to continue--PP or the RCC? Shall we close them in order? Percentage wise... probably PP . We must go by percentages because there is 1 Billion Catholics and therefore there would naturally be more. If you add all the tri-mester abortions, the lack of reporting incest, rape and child molestation vs how many people PP has helped... their percentage would be much higher. HOWEVER: Christians represent God and therefore they have the greater fault.
NOT FORGETTING: We must remember that Jesus had the biggest problem with religious leader who did not even know God and yet represented God. Regardless, we shouldn't white wash whoever is doing wrong. And we must also remember that mercy is available for all. No Ken, you don't get to include 1 billion Catholics, you need to base your evaluation on the small number of Catholic priests. Again, the whole point of this thread is, everything being equal, pastors and abortion workers suffer from the mental anguish issues and for the same reasons.
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May 17, 2014 9:33:47 GMT -6
Post by stevec on May 17, 2014 9:33:47 GMT -6
That's what I've been try to convey to you all these years.
Now, if I can get you can see the similarities between yourself and the religious leader Jesus had a problem with, my mission will come to an end.
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May 17, 2014 10:15:30 GMT -6
Post by ken on May 17, 2014 10:15:30 GMT -6
Percentage wise... probably PP . We must go by percentages because there is 1 Billion Catholics and therefore there would naturally be more. If you add all the tri-mester abortions, the lack of reporting incest, rape and child molestation vs how many people PP has helped... their percentage would be much higher. HOWEVER: Christians represent God and therefore they have the greater fault.
NOT FORGETTING: We must remember that Jesus had the biggest problem with religious leader who did not even know God and yet represented God. Regardless, we shouldn't white wash whoever is doing wrong. And we must also remember that mercy is available for all. No Ken, you don't get to include 1 billion Catholics, you need to base your evaluation on the small number of Catholic priests. Again, the whole point of this thread is, everything being equal, pastors and abortion workers suffer from the mental anguish issues and for the same reasons. If you are referring to pastors who commit child molestation, there is some similarities. The difference is 100% of all abortion doctors destroy life but the percentage of pastors who do, are in the single digits and most likely even below 5%. (IMO)
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