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Post by stevec on Jan 18, 2014 12:17:33 GMT -6
Some of us were not blessed by by god, evidently.Evidence of Biological Basis for Religion in Human Evolution
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Post by stevec on Jan 19, 2014 11:43:15 GMT -6
Issue avoidance is adaptive I suspect.
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Post by ken on Jan 19, 2014 13:45:20 GMT -6
I'm not sure one can say one person has it and the other person doesn't. Why would you come to that conclusion?
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Post by stevec on Jan 19, 2014 14:22:25 GMT -6
I'm not sure one can say one person has it and the other person doesn't. Why would you couldome to that conclusion? If there is a biologically basis for religious belief, then wouldn't god be respondible for that programming? Isn't that what ID is all about? Consider how I'm one of the least religious people you know, and tell me how my programming came about in light of this article?
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Post by ken on Jan 19, 2014 15:38:24 GMT -6
I'm not sure one can say one person has it and the other person doesn't. Why would you couldome to that conclusion? If there is a biologically basis for religious belief, then wouldn't god be respondible for that programming? Isn't that what ID is all about? Consider how I'm one of the least religious people you know, and tell me how my programming came about in light of this article? I think the question is if we individually can develop the potential within us. Like hearing music, the more one listens the better one can distinguish the beauty of the variety of instruments. Perhaps another area these people can look at scientifically.
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Post by stevec on Jan 19, 2014 15:51:32 GMT -6
Nope, that's not the question.
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Post by ken on Jan 19, 2014 18:44:42 GMT -6
Nope, that's not the question. You didn't post a question.
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Post by stevec on Jan 19, 2014 21:59:29 GMT -6
Jesus Ken, you quoted all three of my questions in your post. I'm looking forward to the day when you honestly attempt to answer one of my questions. Since I don't want to be accused of ignoring your red herring, perhaps this might explain neural connections and music. There's a ton of research dealing with music and the human experience, all you have to do is look for it. This Is Your Brain On Vivaldi and Beatles www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130807094348.htm
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Post by stevec on Jan 19, 2014 23:35:13 GMT -6
Btw Ken, as with my appreciation for music, I have no problem distinguishing and appreciating the beauty and variety of religion. Can you say the same about the beauty of atheism? I simply can't do music and religion, my brain isn't wired for such things. You can't do atheism for the same reason, so we both have biological bases for our beliefs. If we can establish the biological basis for religion, then that takes some of the steam out of divinely inspired spiritual beliefs. It originates in your head, not outside.
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Post by ken on Jan 20, 2014 6:00:13 GMT -6
Jesus Ken, you quoted all three of my questions in your post. I'm looking forward to the day when you honestly attempt to answer one of my questions. Since I don't want to be accused of ignoring your red herring, perhaps this might explain neural connections and music. There's a ton of research dealing with music and the human experience, all you have to do is look for it. This Is Your Brain On Vivaldi and Beatles www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130807094348.htm I am not that Jesus. When you are honest enough to admit that I did answer your question with a question and then with a statement... then maybe, and I do mean "MAYBE", we can have an honest dialogue. Balls in your court.
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Post by ken on Jan 20, 2014 6:03:06 GMT -6
Btw Ken, as with my appreciation for music, I have no problem distinguishing and appreciating the beauty and variety of religion. Can you say the same about the beauty of atheism? I simply can't do music and religion, my brain isn't wired for such things. You can't do atheism for the same reason, so we both have biological bases for our beliefs. If we can establish the biological basis for religion, then that takes some of the steam out of divinely inspired spiritual beliefs. It originates in your head, not outside. OK... lets try it again. As in the variety of music (some people liking certain genres), I suppose we could then say that some will find atheism beautiful. I remember when rap came out and, quite frankly, I didn't like it. However, I had a choice to either continue listening or just say "rap isn't music". The more I listened, the more I developed a liking to it. Likewise, as in atheism, one can just say "I don't like faith" and just leave it at that or continue listening until one develops a liking to it. Another question that would still have to be answered is whether "hard-wired" is just biological or indeed hard-wired by God into the biological to seek Him. Not sure how science would be able to prove that. To say that it originated in our heads or that God hard-wired it, are both statements of faith.
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Post by stevec on Jan 20, 2014 7:46:32 GMT -6
Jesus Ken, you quoted all three of my questions in your post. I'm looking forward to the day when you honestly attempt to answer one of my questions. Since I don't want to be accused of ignoring your red herring, perhaps this might explain neural connections and music. There's a ton of research dealing with music and the human experience, all you have to do is look for it. This Is Your Brain On Vivaldi and Beatles www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130807094348.htm I am not that Jesus. When you are honest enough to admit that I did answer your question with a question and then with a statement... then maybe, and I do mean "MAYBE", we can have an honest dialogue. Balls in your court. We've established that both religion and music have biological bases in the brain, so your question was a mute point and a red herring designed to divert attention away from discussing the consequences of such research. You might as well have asked a question about hockey pucks, it was that relevant. What are the consequences of knowing the biological basis for religion?
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Post by ken on Jan 20, 2014 7:53:59 GMT -6
I don't want to follow your "red herring" effort on your false charges. None that I can see, as I already mentioned, for it doesn't establish whether the hard-wire is placed by evolution or by God. Either position will be a faith position. All it establishes is that there is a brain area that is used and, IMO, is an area that you can develop
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Post by stevec on Jan 20, 2014 8:05:31 GMT -6
Btw Ken, as with my appreciation for music, I have no problem distinguishing and appreciating the beauty and variety of religion. Can you say the same about the beauty of atheism? I simply can't do music and religion, my brain isn't wired for such things. You can't do atheism for the same reason, so we both have biological bases for our beliefs. If we can establish the biological basis for religion, then that takes some of the steam out of divinely inspired spiritual beliefs. It originates in your head, not outside. OK... lets try it again. As in the variety of music (some people liking certain genres), I suppose we could then say that some will find atheism beautiful. I remember when rap came out and, quite frankly, I didn't like it. However, I had a choice to either continue listening or just say "rap isn't music". The more I listened, the more I developed a liking to it. Likewise, as in atheism, one can just say "I don't like faith" and just leave it at that or continue listening until one develops a liking to it. Another question that would still have to be answered is whether "hard-wired" is just biological or indeed hard-wired by God into the biological to seek Him. Not sure how science would be able to prove that. To say that it originated in our heads or that God hard-wired it, are both statements of faith. More red herrings, Ken. Hard wired is hard wired, science doesn't need to prove god is involved. Once science is able to pinpoint the biological basis for your superstitions there's no need to validate those superstitions, which can be anything from the Gospels to Star Wars. Jediism and Christianity activate the same areas of the brain, to prove either or both fiction/nonfiction would be fruitless.
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Post by stevec on Jan 20, 2014 8:20:46 GMT -6
I don't want to follow your "red herring" effort on your false charges. None that I can see, as I already mentioned, for it doesn't establish whether the hard-wire is placed by evolution or by God. Either position will be a faith position. All it establishes is that there is a brain area that is used and, IMO, is an area that you can develop Finally, a semi-logical response. Why would scientists need to establish a god connection to religion when they already have both an evolutionary and biological basis for religious belief, which again, could be anything from Chistianity to Islam to Jediism to Dudeism?
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