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Post by woodrowli on Jul 23, 2014 18:00:24 GMT -6
We do have a lot in common with Jews. I believe that is why there is so much animosity between us. We seem to have a bit of "Sibling Rivalry" I always wondered if the root was being rejected by father Abraham as the first-born for the second born Isaac creating the sibling rivalry though both received a God blessing. That is a possibility for Jewish and Christian Arabs, but Muslims do not believe Abraham abandoned Hagar and Ishmael.
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Post by stevec on Jul 23, 2014 19:20:30 GMT -6
We do have a lot in common with Jews. I believe that is why there is so much animosity between us. We seem to have a bit of "Sibling Rivalry" I always wondered if the root was being rejected by father Abraham as the first-born for the second born Isaac creating the sibling rivalry though both received a God blessing. I thought it was all about real estate. Silly me, trusting 20th Century events that happened during my lifetime rather than 2500 year old legends.
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Post by stevec on Jul 23, 2014 19:31:43 GMT -6
I always wondered if the root was being rejected by father Abraham as the first-born for the second born Isaac creating the sibling rivalry though both received a God blessing. That is a possibility for Jewish and Christian Arabs, but Muslims do not believe Abraham abandoned Hagar and Ishmael. From Abraham to Muhammad there were no Muslims.
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Post by woodrowli on Jul 23, 2014 19:41:57 GMT -6
That is a possibility for Jewish and Christian Arabs, but Muslims do not believe Abraham abandoned Hagar and Ishmael. From Abraham to Muhammad there were no Muslims. While we believe some Jews and Christians were Muslims, that is a different topic. Many were/are not. Speaking in Broad terms I agree with you and your theory makes a lot of sense.
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Post by stevec on Jul 24, 2014 5:18:16 GMT -6
From Abraham to Muhammad there were no Muslims. While we believe some Jews and Christians were Muslims, that is a different topic. Many were/are not. Speaking in Broad terms I agree with you and your theory makes a lot of sense. How do you explain god's time delay and regional preferences for prophets? Humanity was ready for prophets 10000 years ago at least. There's evidence that humans were thoughtfully burying their dead 100000 years ago, surely this indicates that humanity had sensitivities and spiritual needs.
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Post by woodrowli on Jul 24, 2014 6:20:20 GMT -6
While we believe some Jews and Christians were Muslims, that is a different topic. Many were/are not. Speaking in Broad terms I agree with you and your theory makes a lot of sense. How do you explain god's time delay and regional preferences for prophets? Humanity was ready for prophets 10000 years ago at least. There's evidence that humans were thoughtfully burying their dead 100000 years ago, surely this indicates that humanity had sensitivities and spiritual needs. We believe there were Prophets sent to all Nations and during all eras. We only know the names of a few.
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Post by ken on Jul 24, 2014 7:34:05 GMT -6
I always wondered if the root was being rejected by father Abraham as the first-born for the second born Isaac creating the sibling rivalry though both received a God blessing. That is a possibility for Jewish and Christian Arabs, but Muslims do not believe Abraham abandoned Hagar and Ishmael. I didn't mean "abandoned" as Abraham and God blessed Ishamel and Hagar. There was the custom of the first-born at that time but the first-born rights were given to Isaac.
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Post by ken on Jul 24, 2014 7:35:07 GMT -6
We believe there were Prophets sent to all Nations and during all eras. We only know the names of a few. I would agree with this statement.
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Post by woodrowli on Jul 24, 2014 7:48:33 GMT -6
We believe there were Prophets sent to all Nations and during all eras. We only know the names of a few. I would agree with this statement. bit of trivia, many Muslims believe Buddha was probably a Prophet. Seems to be quite prevalent among the Sufi. I've also heard arguments for Confucious but not as strong as for Buddha. Personally I doubt we will ever know the names of most of the Prophets.
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Post by stevec on Jul 24, 2014 11:32:28 GMT -6
We believe there were Prophets sent to all Nations and during all eras. We only know the names of a few. I would agree with this statement. Why would you agree with that? Because it sounds good?
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Post by stevec on Jul 24, 2014 11:46:02 GMT -6
Why not? Is that simply a convenient excuse to fill the gaps?
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Post by ken on Jul 24, 2014 12:29:50 GMT -6
I would agree with this statement. Why would you agree with that? Because it sounds good? I agree because it matches the precedent given in scripture. I also agree because it matches the nature of God. As far as the names, I don't see why God would have to give a list of names of every prophet He sent as it isn't relevant IMO.
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Post by woodrowli on Jul 24, 2014 13:26:28 GMT -6
Why not? Is that simply a convenient excuse to fill the gaps? Going by the Number of Nations and the different eras they existed, most scholars estimate the number of prophets to have been over 144,000. Many nations have simply "vanished" with little trace. We will never know the names of the Prophets sent to them.
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Post by woodrowli on Jul 24, 2014 13:31:05 GMT -6
Why would you agree with that? Because it sounds good? I agree because it matches the precedent given in scripture. I also agree because it matches the nature of God. As far as the names, I don't see why God would have to give a list of names of every prophet He sent as it isn't relevant IMO. True, as most Prophets were specific for the people they were sent to and not relevant to us.
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Post by stevec on Jul 24, 2014 14:44:58 GMT -6
Why would you agree with that? Because it sounds good? I agree because it matches the precedent given in scripture. I also agree because it matches the nature of God. As far as the names, I don't see why God would have to give a list of names of every prophet He sent as it isn't relevant IMO. Surely then, name one nonbiblical, nonchristian prophet?
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