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Post by ken on Jan 26, 2014 15:55:40 GMT -6
I have no idea how providing footwashing sinks for Muslim students has any connection to this topic. The concern seems to be public restroom cleanliness and safety, both better achieved by installing a simple means of washing feet. What's your point about hypocrisy, Ken? Why wash feet? |
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Post by ken on Jan 26, 2014 15:56:54 GMT -6
don't know what happened
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Post by stevec on Jan 26, 2014 16:06:04 GMT -6
Why not footwash? Your Christian grandchildren can now pray all over, in gangs even, in public schools. Why can't Muslims have a sanitary place to prepare for their spiritual needs. Heck, we now have to supply after school classrooms to them so that they can plot to convert your grandchildren. Isn't that poetic justice?
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Post by showmedot on Jan 26, 2014 16:15:27 GMT -6
I have no idea how providing footwashing sinks for Muslim students has any connection to this topic. The concern seems to be public restroom cleanliness and safety, both better achieved by installing a simple means of washing feet. What's your point about hypocrisy, Ken? Why wash feet? Still leaves me with no clue what you think hypocritical. I must say I'd be rather grossed out to observe a woman with really dirty feet because she had on sandals attempting to wash her feet in a regular sink. Could be dangerous for her, too, if she lost her balance and fell while trying to wash them thoroughly. |
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Post by Flitzerbiest on Jan 26, 2014 17:45:51 GMT -6
I think the general idea here is people didn't want feet being washed in the hand sink. |
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Post by ken on Jan 26, 2014 21:27:43 GMT -6
Why not footwash? Your Christian grandchildren can now pray all over, in gangs even, in public schools. Why can't Muslims have a sanitary place to prepare for their spiritual needs. Heck, we now have to supply after school classrooms to them so that they can plot to convert your grandchildren. Isn't that poetic justice? So, now you agree that there should be religion in the public universities... when did you switch? |
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Post by ken on Jan 26, 2014 21:28:14 GMT -6
Still leaves me with no clue what you think hypocritical. I must say I'd be rather grossed out to observe a woman with really dirty feet because she had on sandals attempting to wash her feet in a regular sink. Could be dangerous for her, too, if she lost her balance and fell while trying to wash them thoroughly. I don't think that answered the question. |
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Post by ken on Jan 26, 2014 21:31:55 GMT -6
I think the general idea here is people didn't want feet being washed in the hand sink. Then put a sign... no feet washing in sinks. The reality is that foot washing is for religious purposes--and they made the foot washing for the Muslims (not for the general public). Or are you saying that if another religion has another item (let say stone-hedge religion and spirituality) and they need to have stones to worship and the kept putting rocks that someone may trip over, that we should go ahead and give them a space so that no one trips over a rock? |
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Post by stevec on Jan 26, 2014 22:16:50 GMT -6
Why not footwash? Your Christian grandchildren can now prschool'sover, in gangs even, in public schools. Why can't Muslims have a sanitary place to prepare for their spiritual needs. Heck, we now have to supply after school classrooms to them so that they can plot to convert your grandchildren. Isn't that poetic justice? So, now you agree that there should be religion in the public universities... when did you switch? I didn't switch. I'm just acknowledging that you won, and not that I agree that it's right. It will be law, and not just for public universities, but for all public schools. There's nothing I can do about the fact that more state legislatures will be passing these laws. It may not happen in VA right away, because the governor is a Democrat and he can veto the bill, but we know it's only a matter of time and pressure. Evangelicals will keep the pressure on until time is on their side, and boom, they have their prayer protection laws passed. So how do you feel about providing after school classrooms, wash basins, and whatever else, to other religions and cults that might plot to convert your grandchildren? I don't care, btw, because I would love and support my children and grandchildren regardless of their beliefs. As an atheist I have no spiritual skin in this game, but you do, so tell us how you feel about other religions establishing beach heads in public schools. |
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Post by stevec on Jan 26, 2014 22:30:54 GMT -6
I think the general idea here is people didn't want feet being washed in the hand sink. Then put a sign... no feet washing in sinks. The reality is that foot washing is for religious purposes--and they made the foot washing for the Muslims (not for the general public). Or are you saying that if another religion has another item (let say stone-hedge religion and spirituality) and they need to have stones to worship and the kept putting rocks that someone may trip over, that we should go ahead and give them a space so that no one trips over a rock? Reap what you sow, Ken. Yes, we should provide rock space. Rock space is no less important and just as effective as your prayers, all things being equal. That's the problem, we have to provide equal access for all beliefs. |
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Post by ken on Jan 26, 2014 22:39:45 GMT -6
So, now you agree that there should be religion in the public universities... when did you switch? I didn't switch. I'm just acknowledging that you won, and not that I agree that it's right. It will be law, and not just for public universities, but for all public schools. There's nothing I can do about the fact that more state legislatures will be passing these laws. It may not happen in VA right away, because the governor is a Democrat and he can veto the bill, but we know it's only a matter of time and pressure. Evangelicals will keep the pressure on until time is on their side, and boom, they have their prayer protection laws passed. So how do you feel about providing after school classrooms, wash basins, and whatever else, to other religions and cults that might plot to convert your grandchildren? I don't care, btw, because I would love and support my children and grandchildren regardless of their beliefs. As an atheist I have no spiritual skin in this game, but you do, so tell us how you feel about other religions establishing beach heads in public schools. It is a free country and I support the exercise thereof. It is a "PUBLIC" school and the "PUBLIC" who paid the taxes should be free to use them for after school clubs. If it is of another faith... well PTL! for those in the armed forces who purchased our freedoms with blood. However, they should bring their own wash basins. |
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Post by ken on Jan 26, 2014 22:41:06 GMT -6
Then put a sign... no feet washing in sinks. The reality is that foot washing is for religious purposes--and they made the foot washing for the Muslims (not for the general public). Or are you saying that if another religion has another item (let say stone-hedge religion and spirituality) and they need to have stones to worship and the kept putting rocks that someone may trip over, that we should go ahead and give them a space so that no one trips over a rock? Reap what you sow, Ken. Yes, we should provide rock space. Rock space is no less important and just as effective as your prayers, all things being equal. That's the problem, we have to provide equal access for all beliefs. Can't wait for the "LEGO" religious society  |
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Post by stevec on Jan 26, 2014 22:50:47 GMT -6
I didn't switch. I'm just acknowledging that you won, and not that I agree that it's right. It will be law, and not just for public universities, but for all public schools. There's nothing I can do about the fact that more state legislatures will be passing these laws. It may not happen in VA right away, because the governor is a Democrat and he can veto the bill, but we know it's only a matter of time and pressure. Evangelicals will keep the pressure on until time is on their side, and boom, they have their prayer protection laws passed. So how do you feel about providing after school classrooms, wash basins, and whatever else, to other religions and cults that might plot to convert your grandchildren? I don't care, btw, because I would love and support my children and grandchildren regardless of their beliefs. As an atheist I have no spiritual skin in this game, but you do, so tell us how you feel about other religions establishing beach heads in public schools. It is a free country and I support the exercise thereof. It is a "PUBLIC" school and the "PUBLIC" who paid the taxes should be free to use them for after school clubs. If it is of another faith... well PTL! for those in the armed forces who purchased our freedoms with blood. However, they should bring their own wash basins. So you're okay with satanist after-school clubs, and satantists rallying around the flagpole, and thank Satan for this meal lunchtime prayers. |
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Post by stevec on Jan 26, 2014 23:05:46 GMT -6
Reap what you sow, Ken. Yes, we should provide rock space. Rock space is no less important and just as effective as your prayers, all things being equal. That's the problem, we have to provide equal access for all beliefs. Can't wait for the "LEGO" religious society You think that's funny? Do you think your god will have a good laugh with all the false god prayers spewing from our public schools? You evangelicals have unleashed a seven headed beast in our schools, so thanks, I'm looking forward to watching evangelicals cringe at the results. Popcorn time |
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Post by Flitzerbiest on Jan 27, 2014 2:52:48 GMT -6
I think the general idea here is people didn't want feet being washed in the hand sink. Then put a sign... no feet washing in sinks. The reality is that foot washing is for religious purposes--and they made the foot washing for the Muslims (not for the general public). Or are you saying that if another religion has another item (let say stone-hedge religion and spirituality) and they need to have stones to worship and the kept putting rocks that someone may trip over, that we should go ahead and give them a space so that no one trips over a rock? Stone- hedge? God almighty… What's the real issue here Ken. You've been trying to get Christian ritual into the public sphere; now someone else wants in. Why do you give a shit? Could it be that you were never really about religious liberty, but actually just another tired old Christian triumphalist? |
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