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Post by stevec on May 26, 2015 16:19:38 GMT -6
Looks like I'll have quote parts of the Pats' response, since I'm not sure you read it. What you consider incriminating evidence, I interpret as three individuals casually going about their business with nothing to hide.
Will get back to your post later.
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Post by stevec on May 27, 2015 9:17:56 GMT -6
Busy couple of days, so my time is limited......................I'm retired, that's not supposed to happen.
I do have time to post regarding Brady's appeal. This appeal process with Goodell is comical. This is what I predict - Goodell will exonerate Brady of all wrong doing and drop the suspension. Goodell's insistence that he meet face to face with Brady to hear his side of the story is nothing more than a face saving image building exercise designed to restore Goodell's reputation, tarnished already by at least three suspensions/appeals fiascos. What a better way than to hear a football icon plead his case and then pretend to act fairly and wisely to wipe the slate clean.
I wonder what Goodell's emails and extended phone conversations with Wells will show concerning the manufactured evidence against Brady and the Pats.
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Post by Jim on May 27, 2015 9:24:44 GMT -6
Busy couple of days, so my time is limited......................I'm retired, that's not supposed to happen. I do have time to post regarding Brady's appeal. This appeal process with Goodell is comical. This is what I predict - Goodell will exonerate Brady of all wrong doing and drop the suspension. Goodell's insistence that he meet face to face with Brady to hear his side of the story is nothing more than a face saving image building exercise designed to restore Goodell's reputation, tarnished already by at least three suspensions/appeals fiascos. What a better way than to hear a football icon plead his case and then pretend to act fairly and wisely to wipe the slate clean. I wonder what Goodell's emails and extended phone conversations with Wells will show concerning the manufactured evidence against Brady and the Pats. Hey, look who's here! A private face to face meeting pretty much assures that we will never know who was lying. I predict that they will agree to a two game suspension. Even if it goes down as you have suggested and Brady is exonerated after this closed door session, most people will believe that Brady did it and, as you perhaps unintentionally put it, "What a better way than to hear a football icon plead his case and then pretend to act fairly and wisely to wipe the slate clean." Jim
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Post by Jim on May 27, 2015 9:26:30 GMT -6
Busy couple of days, so my time is limited......................I'm retired, that's not supposed to happen. I do have time to post regarding Brady's appeal. This appeal process with Goodell is comical. This is what I predict - Goodell will exonerate Brady of all wrong doing and drop the suspension. Goodell's insistence that he meet face to face with Brady to hear his side of the story is nothing more than a face saving image building exercise designed to restore Goodell's reputation, tarnished already by at least three suspensions/appeals fiascos. What a better way than to hear a football icon plead his case and then pretend to act fairly and wisely to wipe the slate clean. I wonder what Goodell's emails and extended phone conversations with Wells will show concerning the manufactured evidence against Brady and the Pats. When you have the time, I am curious to hear what evidence was "manufactured." Not the texts or video of course... Jim
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Post by stevec on May 27, 2015 10:07:07 GMT -6
Busy couple of days, so my time is limited......................I'm retired, that's not supposed to happen. I do have time to post regarding Brady's appeal. This appeal process with Goodell is comical. This is what I predict - Goodell will exonerate Brady of all wrong doing and drop the suspension. Goodell's insistence that he meet face to face with Brady to hear his side of the story is nothing more than a face saving image building exercise designed to restore Goodell's reputation, tarnished already by at least three suspensions/appeals fiascos. What a better way than to hear a football icon plead his case and then pretend to act fairly and wisely to wipe the slate clean. I wonder what Goodell's emails and extended phone conversations with Wells will show concerning the manufactured evidence against Brady and the Pats. Hey, look who's here! A private face to face meeting pretty much assures that we will never know who was lying. I predict that they will agree to a two game suspension. Even if it goes down as you have suggested and Brady is exonerated after this closed door session, most people will believe that Brady did it and, as you perhaps unintentionally put it, "What a better way than to hear a football icon plead his case and then pretend to act fairly and wisely to wipe the slate clean." Jim How GoodellWellsist of you. I have no chance to make my case(though I will tonight) when I'm on the defensive, and you have the ability to interpret my words to fit your purpose. We are not on the same page as far as this appeal is concerned. If Brady is innocent, he will not settle for a one or two game suspension. His back is up against the wall, any suspension can be interpreted as guilt. He's got everything that a human being could want in life, why let a 1 or 2 game suspension be the * to an otherwise stellar career. A one game suspension is the same as a lifetime suspension when all that matters is reputation. It's all or nothing between Brady and Goodell, and I believe Goodell will cave.
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Post by stevec on May 27, 2015 10:12:08 GMT -6
Hey, look who's here! A private face to face meeting pretty much assures that we will never know who was lying. I predict that they will agree to a two game suspension. Even if it goes down as you have suggested and Brady is exonerated after this closed door session, most people will believe that Brady did it and, as you perhaps unintentionally put it, "What a better way than to hear a football icon plead his case and then pretend to act fairly and wisely to wipe the slate clean." Jim How GoodellWellsist of you. I have no chance to make my case(though I will tonight) when I'm on the defensive, and you have the ability to interpret my words to fit your purpose. We are not on the same page as far as this appeal is concerned. If Brady is innocent, he will not settle for a one or two game suspension. His back is up against the wall, any suspension can be interpreted as guilt. He's got everything that a human being could want in life, why let a 1 or 2 game suspension be the * to an otherwise stellar career. A one game suspension is the same as a lifetime suspension when all that matters is reputation. It's all or nothing between Brady and Goodell, and I believe Goodell will cave. I will tonight, my brother in law canceled or date to see the St. Lucia Mets.
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Post by Jim on May 27, 2015 15:14:18 GMT -6
Hey, look who's here! A private face to face meeting pretty much assures that we will never know who was lying. I predict that they will agree to a two game suspension. Even if it goes down as you have suggested and Brady is exonerated after this closed door session, most people will believe that Brady did it and, as you perhaps unintentionally put it, "What a better way than to hear a football icon plead his case and then pretend to act fairly and wisely to wipe the slate clean." Jim How GoodellWellsist of you. I have no chance to make my case(though I will tonight) when I'm on the defensive, and you have the ability to interpret my words to fit your purpose. We are not on the same page as far as this appeal is concerned. If Brady is innocent, he will not settle for a one or two game suspension. His back is up against the wall, any suspension can be interpreted as guilt. He's got everything that a human being could want in life, why let a 1 or 2 game suspension be the * to an otherwise stellar career. A one game suspension is the same as a lifetime suspension when all that matters is reputation. It's all or nothing between Brady and Goodell, and I believe Goodell will cave. Touche! I'll politely read your arguments and maybe comment, but I think we are on the same page. We both think that a back-room deal is likely. If Brady accepts any suspension, I and possibly you, and probably the rest of the world, will interpret this as guilt. If Goodell caves, lifts the suspension and publicly exonerates Brady, I will absolutely concede that Brady more likely than not had no idea that the balls were deflated after the measurement. (I doubt that the non-Boston public will be so generous.) As far as our banter goes, it will be an unsatisfying result if a backroom deal is reached (whether Brady is exonerated or not.) On the other hand, maybe Brady will continue the appeal or file a court case. Maybe tons of evidence of guilt or innocence will be presented. Maybe the public will be in the loop, maybe not. In any case, if this proceeds to the next level and no deal is struck behind closed doors, we could have things to talk about for quite a while! All of this preliminary speculation might be swept aside by later revelations that we can both agree on. I doubt it though. If guilty, Brady has strong motivation to get this over with. If Brady is innocent, the league has strong motivation to make good and get this over with. So - I guess we have to wait and see! Jim p.s. I knew I was spinning your words, but you left the door wide open. It was an easy shot. As Bill would say, it depends what the meaning of "the" is. In other words, whose slate is being wiped clean - Tom's? or Goodells? This is a real pickle for Brady because even if Goodell exonerates him, if the exoneration is the result of a private meeting or a back-room deal, a large faction will still think that Brady is guilty and that Goodell merely swept his guilt under the rug for the good of the league. As you have suggested, the only chance Brady has now of clearing his name among all rational fans is to take Goodell to the mat and kick his ass.
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Post by stevec on May 27, 2015 21:49:57 GMT -6
Sorry Jim, I just got back from my daughter's apartment and I'm exhausted from packing and moving boxes around. Big move to my garage tomorrow in the AM and I'll be chillin in the afternoon, so I'll disect the Wells report then bit by senseless bit to see if we can get Brady's guilt probability down to 1%.
If Goodell caves and eliminates the suspension, then I believe that's an indictment on Goodell and his evidence. There will be no reason for Brady to appeal, unless he wants to take this further and pursue a slander case. I'm hoping you can give some insight if that is even possibly. If I had Brady's $$$$$ that's what I would do. Heck, it took me 10 years and 8 court decisions to make my point with my school district. If Goodell uses this appeal to make an ironic claim to the " Mr Sensitivity" moniker, I'll sue his ass. There's only one Mr. Sensitivity.
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Post by Jim on May 28, 2015 8:36:01 GMT -6
Sorry Jim, I just got back from my daughter's apartment and I'm exhausted from packing and moving boxes around. Big move to my garage tomorrow in the AM and I'll be chillin in the afternoon, so I'll disect the Wells report then bit by senseless bit to see if we can get Brady's guilt probability down to 1%. If Goodell caves and eliminates the suspension, then I believe that's an indictment on Goodell and his evidence. There will be no reason for Brady to appeal, unless he wants to take this further and pursue a slander case. I'm hoping you can give some insight if that is even possibly. If I had Brady's $$$$$ that's what I would do. Heck, it took me 10 years and 8 court decisions to make my point with my school district. If Goodell uses this appeal to make an ironic claim to the " Mr Sensitivity" moniker, I'll sue his ass. There's only one Mr. Sensitivity. Slander law is not even close to something that I have ever researched, so I won't be much help there. I do know that it is much more difficult for a celebrity to prove a slander case than it is for a private citizen. My guess is that Brady's recourse, (assuming he is totally innocent etc. etc.) would be an action for a breach of the collective bargaining agreement. I've not read the agreement but there must be some safeguards in there against malicious, shoddy disciplinary actions. (Assuming Brady is innocent and he can show a malicious shoddy investigation...) Jim
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Post by stevec on May 28, 2015 13:15:15 GMT -6
Okay, Jim, I'm having some issues with the time stamps on McNally's and Jastremski's text messages, the official Pat's line might be BS. There's a perfectly logical explanation that Pats' counsel could have taken, yet they chose to make the point that the text messages were referring to someone else other than Tom. The texts were harmless and not incriminating until Pats' lawyers chose to take this route.
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Post by stevec on Jun 4, 2015 12:31:05 GMT -6
Jim,
I hoping to put this affair in a time line that's easy for me to understand. There's a lot to read. Check back occasionally to see if I've posted something. I've been busy getting the FL home ready to close up for the summer and getting my daughter's and our affairs in order. I'll be towing my wife's car up north beginning Monday, stopping near Phily to see my son for a few days.
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Post by Jim on Jun 4, 2015 15:36:52 GMT -6
Jim, I hoping to put this affair in a time line that's easy for me to understand. There's a lot to read. Check back occasionally to see if I've posted something. I've been busy getting the FL home ready to close up for the summer and getting my daughter's and our affairs in order. I'll be towing my wife's car up north beginning Monday, stopping near Phily to see my son for a few days. Take your time of course! I'll check in now and then. Jim
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Post by Jim on Jul 29, 2015 10:25:24 GMT -6
Hi Steve;
How convenient. Brady destroys his cell phone on the day he meets with investigators, and doesn't mention this for how many months? You still buying Tom's innocence Steve? Maybe the Players Association will appeal and get the suspension delayed. (Hopefully until December!) But from an outsider's perspective this just looks worse and worse for Tom. Even some writers in Boston have turned on Tom.
Thoughts?
Jim
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Post by stevec on Jul 29, 2015 18:21:23 GMT -6
Yes, I still believe Brady is innocent. I would have smashed my phone long before Brady did. The NFL had McNally's and Jastremski's phones and consequently all relevant phone messages. I'm being honest, I would not turn my phone and all the personal information it contained over to the NFL - they can not be trusted...........and I have nothing to hide. I'm sure Brady has personal and professional contacts in his phone and both he and they wouldn't want their privacy invaded. There's a principle involved here. Disposing of a phone under those circumstances and thumbing your nose at Goodall is a perfectly logical and appropriate response. I don't remember if it was here or on CN, but I believe I mentioned that I would have smashed my phone long ago, before this new revelation was made public. Goodell and the NFL brass are not competent people who I would trust to protect my privacy.
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Post by stevec on Jul 29, 2015 21:18:29 GMT -6
Jim,
If this whole affair isn't about Goodell's ego, why didn't he recuse himself from making this decision?
Is it about drawing more attention and money to the NFL?
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