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Post by woodrowli on Jul 19, 2014 3:10:35 GMT -6
On some other forums I belong to, I keep seeing comments like: "Muslims follow an Islamic culture."
I am not aware of any Islamic Culture. Does such a thing exist? What do non-Muslims perceive as being "Islamic Culture"?
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Post by showmedot on Jul 19, 2014 3:53:59 GMT -6
As far as I'm aware, it's somewhat like the "gay agenda." Otherwise known as "not normal."
And that's as profound as I'm good for on too little sleep. At least, this morning the right side of my head doesn't feel like somebody's trying to dig out my eye with a wooden spoon.
Cy'all later. Off to beddy-bye.
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Post by woodrowli on Jul 20, 2014 10:20:45 GMT -6
Fair enough answer.
I don't really see anything that can be considered an actual Islamic culture. We are too darn individualistic. I think what most people see as Islamic culture is usually Pakistani or Arabic culture.
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Post by stevec on Jul 20, 2014 11:41:18 GMT -6
On some other forums I belong to, I keep seeing comments like: "Muslims follow an Islamic culture." I am not aware of any Islamic Culture. Does such a thing exist? What do non-Muslims perceive as being "Islamic Culture"? It's shared actions and thoughts. Are you denying that Islamic peoples don't share the same actions and thoughts? Don't forget that other cultures' perspectives on Islam are equally valid. If other cultures perceive an Islamic culture distinct from their own, then cultural boundaries do exist, even if they are imaginary. I imagine an Islamic culture, therefore it exists. You belong to a religious culture in general, and an Islam culture more specifically, I don't understand how anybody can deny this. Do you deny there's a difference between you and me in religious routine and thought. |
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Post by showmedot on Jul 20, 2014 13:32:03 GMT -6
A lot depends upon the context. Really, it's impossible to guess what "Muslims follow an Islamic culture" means unless we saw the context and could ideally ask the person saying that what they intend it to mean.
It could mean what I suggested or what Steve indicated, perhaps a degree of both. Sometimes, people think they understand another culture or religion, and intellectually, they may know quite a lot about it. That doesn't necessarily mean they like or approve of it either one. Emotional reactions are less easy to change than ignorance, particularly if the reaction is to something the person hasn't or can't experience.
It's like a parent confronted by such questions as, "What does sex feel like?" Or "Why doesn't Aunt Cheri want to marry a guy instead of Megan?"
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Post by woodrowli on Jul 20, 2014 14:59:16 GMT -6
On some other forums I belong to, I keep seeing comments like: "Muslims follow an Islamic culture." I am not aware of any Islamic Culture. Does such a thing exist? What do non-Muslims perceive as being "Islamic Culture"? It's shared actions and thoughts. Are you denying that Islamic peoples don't share the same actions and thoughts? Don't forget that other cultures' perspectives on Islam are equally valid. If other cultures perceive an Islamic culture distinct from their own, then cultural boundaries do exist, even if they are imaginary. I imagine an Islamic culture, therefore it exists. You belong to a religious culture in general, and an Islam culture more specifically, I don't understand how anybody can deny this. Do you deny there's a difference between you and me in religious routine and thought. I am trying to find what actions and thoughts a large number of Muslims have in common. All I see are the 5 basic prayers. As a group we don't even share the same believes Except Belief in Allaah(swt) and Muhammad(saws) is the final Prophet. You and I do differ in religious practice and thought. Particular in regards to the 5 daily prayers. But in other aspects we are probably more similar. We both eat basically the same foods, speak English as our primary language. Yes we do have differences and pretty much the same differences I have with my fellow Muslims. For example not all Muslims dress Sunnah. I do but I am following Arabic culture not Islamic. (hey I'm a cheapskate, I probably paid less for my entire wardrobe than what most men pay for a single suit) (Sunnah is the trying to live the same life style Muhammad(saws) lived, he lived in an Arabic culture) The "Culture" I follow probably follows much closer to Native American Lakota than I follow anything that is stereotypical Islamic. I try to stay out of large cities, love nature, enjoy living off the land as much as possible, don't use a bit or saddle when riding a horse etc Most Muslims tend to fit into a National Culture rather than a specific religious identification. Most Pakistanis for instance follow the Punjabi Culture very closely, it is almost impossible to tell the difference between a Punjabi Muslim, Sikh or Hindu. Here in the US a Sikh or Hindu is probably more often to be seen as being a Muslim than a Muslim is. My own expeience is us Muslims often get misidentified as being Jewish. For example after 9/11 Sikhs and Hindus were attacked for being Muslim, while few Muslims were. I don't think there is a central Islamic culture. I can blend in quite well into Moroccan Culture, but I stick out like a sore thumb in an Arabic setting. Where I live, a small town in a very German-Russian hertitage area no one seems to have the faintest Idea I am Muslim. A few people seem to think I'm Jewish. I got a few Passover cards. I do not hide being Muslim, but neither do I go out of my way to tell people I am unless someone asks me what religion I am. My wife and I do not socialize, but that is because of PTSD not our being Muslim, we are both Nam vets. I think being a Nam Vet is easier to see as a culture than Islam. When we go to the VA Hospital us Nam vets seem to congregate separate from everyone else. We seem to immediately recognize each other. Probably because we are in the same age group. I just realized I follow a multitude of cultures depending on where I am and who I am with. But, I can not identify any of them as a specific Islamic culture. |
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Post by showmedot on Jul 20, 2014 16:42:12 GMT -6
Then, the sentence you mentioned in the OP probably at least means "not like me" or more extremely, "not right, not normal."
That other "not normal" catchphrase, "homosexual lifestyle," is similar. What "homosexual lifestyle"? What's usually meant is an ugly stereotype of indiscriminate and random sex with a disinclination to commit.
I suspect those who say "Islamic culture" think along the lines of "weirdness that eventually leads to hijacking airplanes and planting bombs at the Boston Marathon."
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Post by stevec on Jul 20, 2014 17:07:03 GMT -6
Woodrowli,
There's no denying we share cultures, especially in the US. I'm not passing judgment on any cultures by saying they exist of course, I'm simply being realistic. Having 5 prayers in common is good enough for me.
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Post by woodrowli on Jul 21, 2014 9:53:03 GMT -6
Then, the sentence you mentioned in the OP probably at least means "not like me" or more extremely, "not right, not normal." That other "not normal" catchphrase, "homosexual lifestyle," is similar. What "homosexual lifestyle"? What's usually meant is an ugly stereotype of indiscriminate and random sex with a disinclination to commit. I suspect those who say "Islamic culture" think along the lines of "weirdness that eventually leads to hijacking airplanes and planting bombs at the Boston Marathon." That is what I tend to hear around here. When people talk about "Islamic Culture" they tend to think in terms of: Suicide bombers, terrorists, Radicals, Camels, deserts, weird, no humor etc. OOOps just saw the time have to get on my camel and go pick up my suicide vest at the laundry before they close for lunch |
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Post by stevec on Jul 21, 2014 10:02:45 GMT -6
Then, the sentence you mentioned in the OP probably at least means "not like me" or more extremely, "not right, not normal." That other "not normal" catchphrase, "homosexual lifestyle," is similar. What "homosexual lifestyle"? What's usually meant is an ugly stereotype of indiscriminate and random sex with a disinclination to commit. I suspect those who say "Islamic culture" think along the lines of "weirdness that eventually leads to hijacking airplanes and planting bombs at the Boston Marathon." That is what I tend to hear around here. When people talk about "Islamic Culture" they tend to think in terms of: Suicide bombers, terrorists, Radicals, Camels, deserts, weird, no humor etc. OOOps just saw the time have to get on my camel and go pick up my suicide vest at the laundry before they close for lunch Don't forget to pick up the falafel!!! |
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Post by showmedot on Jul 21, 2014 10:22:17 GMT -6
Hmmmm, that must be the last we'll hear of Woodrow until any of us turns on the first-on-the-scene news jocks.
Too bad Woodrow won't be around to revel in all the coverage of his final "mission." But, hey, we can say we really did hear about it here first.
< snicker chuckle snort >
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Post by woodrowli on Jul 21, 2014 10:43:27 GMT -6
Hmmmm, that must be the last we'll hear of Woodrow until any of us turns on the first-on-the-scene news jocks. Too bad Woodrow won't be around to revel in all the coverage of his final "mission." But, hey, we can say we really did hear about it here first. < snicker chuckle snort > Dang laundry wasn't there, just a big hole. I guess I should have told them not to iron it |
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Post by stevec on Jul 21, 2014 10:47:53 GMT -6
Hmmmm, that must be the last we'll hear of Woodrow until any of us turns on the first-on-the-scene news jocks. Too bad Woodrow won't be around to revel in all the coverage of his final "mission." But, hey, we can say we really did hear about it here first. < snicker chuckle snort > lol, it's not it's going to happen anytime soon. How quickly can you get from ND to anywhere headline worthy while riding bareback on a camel and eating falafel on pita. Factor in having to stop 3 times a day to say prayers and to sleep, and there's a good chance he'll change his mind, forget his mission, or the shelf life on the explosives will expire and fizzle. |
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Post by woodrowli on Jul 21, 2014 10:52:23 GMT -6
Hmmmm, that must be the last we'll hear of Woodrow until any of us turns on the first-on-the-scene news jocks. Too bad Woodrow won't be around to revel in all the coverage of his final "mission." But, hey, we can say we really did hear about it here first. < snicker chuckle snort > lol, it's not it's going to happen anytime soon. How quickly can you get from ND to anywhere headline worthy while riding bareback on a camel and eating falafel on pita. Factor in having to stop 3 times a day to say prayers and to sleep, and there's a good chance he'll change his mind, forget his mission, or the shelf life on the explosives will expire and fizzle. It's 5 prayers. Besides read the reply I made while you were posting |
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Post by showmedot on Jul 21, 2014 11:05:47 GMT -6
What? No spare? Not much of a terrorist, are ya?  . |
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