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Post by Flitzerbiest on Feb 18, 2014 17:11:00 GMT -6
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Post by Mama Cass on Feb 21, 2014 7:24:24 GMT -6
Why? He is a narcissistic nincompoop with a well-attested messiah complex who violates the Constitution, for which he has nothing but contempt, at will. You can find the list of these violations all over the Internet if you are behind in your reading of current events.
He "works" for an hour and then takes the weekend off to go golfing with his billionaire buddies--after decrying income inequality. He doesn't earn his salary but by heaven he will go after yours.
He is a weak non-leader who hasn't just made us a laughing stock around the world but has endangered us and many others by allowing too many hot spots to spin out of control, after gutting the military.
I shouldn't have to mention what he has done to the economy. Yes, with help from former administrations but that is no excuse for allowing things to get exponentially worse. Not one criminal in the IRS has been prosecuted for its abuse of the American people with whose politics it disagrees. Now the FCC is demanding to infiltrate news rooms to see that the news is reported as they want it to be. So out of control is this government of our that that it is including newspapers over which the FCC has *never* had any authority.
I could go on but this will get anyone who didn't know up-to-speed.
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Post by showmedot on Feb 21, 2014 10:03:02 GMT -6
It might if you linked to any sources as evidence. Otherwise, it's simply an unsubstantiated rant.
Try again.
P.S. What's your opinion of George W. Bush out of idle curiosity?
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Post by Mama Cass on Feb 21, 2014 12:01:30 GMT -6
How can that be necessary? It is in the news every single day. Of course, the larger issue is that I am answering the question why we hate the man so much. I answered the question. That does not require that I prove that I am correct.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 12:25:47 GMT -6
I don't hate him FB. I admire his moral fiber. He and I have different views on the appropriate level of government involvement in all types of human endeavors. Therefore, I think that several of his policies are ill advised. He bites off much more than the government can or should chew. I also believe that his executive skills are insufficient to do a good job. This has been a problem at the federal level for a long time and pre-dates President Obama of course. We need a President who can rise above the partisan rancor and unite. Blaming everything on the Republicans in the House is weak and ineffective leadership. Jim |
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Post by Mama Cass on Feb 21, 2014 17:04:59 GMT -6
What moral fiber? Seriously. Once you know that he led the fight (successfully) against the Illinois version of the "Born Alive Infant Protection Act" how do the words Obama and moral fit in the same sentence.
In case anyone doesn't know, the Act would have made it illegal for doctors and hospitals to refuse medical help to infants that survive an abortion. Instead, the baby is placed on a tray, and set aside, usually in a broom closet, and allowed to suffocate over several hours. It takes that long for their underdeveloped lungs to fail completely.
There is so much more but that alone is enough.
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Post by Flitzerbiest on Feb 21, 2014 17:05:59 GMT -6
I don't hate him FB. I admire his moral fiber. He and I have different views on the appropriate level of government involvement in all types of human endeavors. Therefore, I think that several of his policies are ill advised. He bites off much more than the government can or should chew. I also believe that his executive skills are insufficient to do a good job. This has been a problem at the federal level for a long time and pre-dates President Obama of course. We need a President who can rise above the partisan rancor and unite. Blaming everything on the Republicans in the House is weak and ineffective leadership. Jim Jim, I wasn't talking about you here. I would have thought this was obvious, but if not, I'm sorry. FB |
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Post by Flitzerbiest on Feb 21, 2014 17:22:02 GMT -6
Why? He is a narcissistic nincompoop with a well-attested messiah complex who violates the Constitution, for which he has nothing but contempt, at will. You can find the list of these violations all over the Internet if you are behind in your reading of current events. He "works" for an hour and then takes the weekend off to go golfing with his billionaire buddies--after decrying income inequality. He doesn't earn his salary but by heaven he will go after yours. He is a weak non-leader who hasn't just made us a laughing stock around the world but has endangered us and many others by allowing too many hot spots to spin out of control, after gutting the military. I shouldn't have to mention what he has done to the economy. Yes, with help from former administrations but that is no excuse for allowing things to get exponentially worse. Not one criminal in the IRS has been prosecuted for its abuse of the American people with whose politics it disagrees. Now the FCC is demanding to infiltrate news rooms to see that the news is reported as they want it to be. So out of control is this government of our that that it is including newspapers over which the FCC has *never* had any authority. I could go on but this will get anyone who didn't know up-to-speed. Actually, all it does is identify you as a partisan with a selective memory. If golfing with billionaire buddies is a presidential failing, we'd need to go back to Reagan (and you would like that wouldn't you?) to find a capable executive. The only place you will find "evidence" of a supposed Messiah complex is in ring wing throw away literature. Those with a level head will generally concede that he's a pretty nice guy, and even with humble leanings. Rainbow Trout is certainly among those who don't much fancy him as a President but But of course, you don't like that either right? Bowing (a ceremonial greeting preferred in many cultures to a handshake) to an Arab or Asian is un-Merkan, to hear it from the same rags that inform the rest of your opinion. As for the economy, it has been slowly growing since the middle of 2009. Whether or not it is growing optimally is an excellent topic for rational debate, but you probably ought to check the apocalyptic nonsense at the door, at least if you want to be taken seriously. But I'm ahead of myself...maybe that isn't your intent at all. |
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Post by Flitzerbiest on Feb 21, 2014 17:26:43 GMT -6
What moral fiber? Seriously. Once you know that he led the fight (successfully) against the Illinois version of the "Born Alive Infant Protection Act" how do the words Obama and moral fit in the same sentence. In case anyone doesn't know, the Act would have made it illegal for doctors and hospitals to refuse medical help to infants that survive an abortion. Instead, the baby is placed on a tray, and set aside, usually in a broom closet, and allowed to suffocate over several hours. It takes that long for their underdeveloped lungs to fail completely. "Usually in a broom closet?" Really? Laws like the BAIPA have one goal in mind--to establish the conservative pro-life bona fides of the sponsors. Along the lines of what I said in my other post, if you would like to have a rational debate about abortion, bring it on. However, when you lead with this sort of an angle (as a slam dunk against the moral fiber of a man who is not known to either lack compassion or exhibit psychopathy), you simply label yourself as a slobbering partisan. |
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Post by Flitzerbiest on Feb 21, 2014 17:27:39 GMT -6
By the way...feel free to active as a member. It costs nothing...free as food stamps, as we like to say.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 18:17:13 GMT -6
I don't hate him FB. I admire his moral fiber. He and I have different views on the appropriate level of government involvement in all types of human endeavors. Therefore, I think that several of his policies are ill advised. He bites off much more than the government can or should chew. I also believe that his executive skills are insufficient to do a good job. This has been a problem at the federal level for a long time and pre-dates President Obama of course. We need a President who can rise above the partisan rancor and unite. Blaming everything on the Republicans in the House is weak and ineffective leadership. Jim Jim, I wasn't talking about you here. I would have thought this was obvious, but if not, I'm sorry. FB I know you know my views pretty well. I was piping up as a representative moderate republican. It is unlikely that anyone from the Guardian.com is going to post here!  |
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Post by Flitzerbiest on Feb 21, 2014 18:29:03 GMT -6
Are you not a fan of The Guardian? It's a hell of a newspaper, IMO. As with any, it should be read critically, but the British press has a few notable advantages:
1. The collapse of the newspaper is less a reality on the other side of the pond.
2. The British have less of a dog in the fight when opining on American politics.
3. The website is free (so far and as near as I can tell) and exquisitely well laid out.
4. It is far easier to find stories on European affairs (e.g. the New IRA, Ukraine, Scottish Independence, etc), and the coverage is palpably Eurocentric (sort of the opposite of #2).
5. Football
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Post by Mama Cass on Feb 21, 2014 19:43:27 GMT -6
What moral fiber? Seriously. Once you know that he led the fight (successfully) against the Illinois version of the "Born Alive Infant Protection Act" how do the words Obama and moral fit in the same sentence. In case anyone doesn't know, the Act would have made it illegal for doctors and hospitals to refuse medical help to infants that survive an abortion. Instead, the baby is placed on a tray, and set aside, usually in a broom closet, and allowed to suffocate over several hours. It takes that long for their underdeveloped lungs to fail completely. "Usually in a broom closet?" Really? Laws like the BAIPA have one goal in mind--to establish the conservative pro-life bona fides of the sponsors. Along the lines of what I said in my other post, if you would like to have a rational debate about abortion, bring it on. However, when you lead with this sort of an angle (as a slam dunk against the moral fiber of a man who is not known to either lack compassion or exhibit psychopathy), you simply label yourself as a slobbering partisan. What I have said is true and amply documented. Google "Jill Stanek" for unbearable details. She is a nurse who experienced this barbarism and has testified before Congress about it. It cannot be denied by any sane person. Seriously, how do you blind yourself to such a crime? It is a crime that has nothing to do with politics, no matter whether thousands or millions of people supported it for reasons you consider bogus. Babies who could have and would have survived with the usual medical treatment given to premies would have lived, but for people who put political considerations above ethical behavior. Obama has no compassion. He is a full bore narcissist and only values himself. He only sees himself. He *still* thinks he is God's gift to the nation. How he ignores his poll numbers is a real wonder. Wait! No it isn't. They aren't on his teleprompter! For heaven's sake NARAL had no problem with the law Obama defeated, just as it had no proplem with the federal law in its final form. How do you justify killing a baby? Could you stick one in a closet, close the door and walk away? Seriously, if your answer is yes, you need to take a long, hard look at yourself and ask yourself why you like what you see. As far as the facts in all my messages here today are concerned, I do my homework and have for 30 years. When I tell you that babies have been stuck in broom closets and left to die of suffocation, you can believe it. Of course, you could also google it. Ditto the monogamy issues of gays and their dangerous sexual practices and whatever else I have commented on. It is because I do my homework and do serious research on subjects of interest to me, that I cannot accept your kind invitation to join. The internet and its forums are no place for someone like me who is always willing to let the chips fall where they may. I don't care if it is my pet opinion on some issue or yours. If the facts are against us, we must accept that reality and adjust our opinions accordingly. Just participating today reminds me how hard it is to challenge the status quo. When it comes to defending the indefensible, I am out of here. Even if it were really true that only conservatives value the lives of babies-- for political reasons, so what? It is better to do the right thing for the wrong reason than to do wrong (for which no reason is ever right). |
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Post by showmedot on Feb 21, 2014 21:26:21 GMT -6
Does "serious research" but refuses to link to evidence. Is this God perhaps? "I said it. You believe it."
Noooo, doesn't work that way if you expect reasonable people to change their minds.
Buh-byeee!
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Post by stevec on Feb 21, 2014 22:06:52 GMT -6
Mama Cass,
I've done a ton of research also. Using the same statistical analysis you use to deny gays their dignity and rights, I have come to the conclusion that fetuses deserve to die. All of these fetuses will not show any economic or social value for decades after they're born. They suck resources from those of us that work hard, and for the most part, have matured. Not only that, but a good portion will eventually become drug addicts, alcoholics, criminals, gays, and politicians. Generally, we can classify all fetuses as scum of the earth, just like gays. In summary, fetuses will ultimately disappoint mom, country, and god. Can you blame anyone for wanting to abort?
My motto - kill all the fetuses and let god sort them out.
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