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Post by stevec on Aug 24, 2014 9:26:22 GMT -6
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Post by apple on Aug 25, 2014 9:46:30 GMT -6
I thought the same when I read that he thanked God for saving him.
If God was going to save him, why didn't he just stay in Africa?
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Post by showmedot on Aug 25, 2014 11:20:26 GMT -6
I won't even get started on my old rant about people interviewed on tv whose homes were amazingly hardly damaged in the wildfire/hurricane/tornado, etc. that left all their neighbors' homes severely damaged or demolished. Nope, I'm biting my tongue for once.
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Post by stevec on Aug 25, 2014 13:36:33 GMT -6
I thought the same when I read that he thanked God for saving him. If God was going to save him, why didn't he just stay in Africa? Good point! Who needs top notch hospitals and healthcare professionals when god is on your side. I'll bet those two missionaries couldn't wait to proclaim the glory of god if and when they survived this ordeal, and now they can hit the lecture circuit. I wish god could hit the lecture circuit and put an end to these discussions.
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Post by stevec on Aug 25, 2014 13:53:16 GMT -6
I won't even get started on my old rant about people interviewed on tv whose homes were amazingly hardly damaged in the wildfire/hurricane/tornado, etc. that left all their neighbors' homes severely damaged or demolished. Nope, I'm biting my tongue for once. Yeah, I know!! Missed me by this much[ ] always turns into big time miracles. I'll never forget the story of a fighter pilot whose plane was shot up in a dogfight. A bullet burst through his canopy, the next thing he knew there was blood pouring down his face. He thought he was going to die, but when he got back to base he found out how lucky he was. The bullet enter the side of his helmet, followed the contour of the helmet and exited out the front on the other side. He had a perfect U shaped cut around his head. All pilots believe in god, so I guess he probably attributed his good fortune to god.
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Post by woodrowli on Aug 25, 2014 17:32:35 GMT -6
Us theist are notorious for pointing out escapes from a disaster as being miraculous.
The simple fact is all of us Theists and Atheists are subject to the same randomness that exists in this world. The innocent child free from sin can be killed in a tornado, just as fast as the local neighborhood sex offender/serial killer escapes the same tornado without harm.
No harm in us giving thanks for being spared at a time death seem imminent, but it is a poor tool to use to prove the existence of God(swt)
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Post by showmedot on Aug 26, 2014 5:35:35 GMT -6
Oh. I have no problem with giving thanks in situations like this. What I have a problem with is expressions such as I mentioned that convey to the less fortunate (through no fault at all of their own), "God loves me and mine more than you and yours."
Give your thanks in private prayer and keep your tactless mouth shut where those who lost much might hear your gloating.
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Post by woodrowli on Aug 26, 2014 6:37:14 GMT -6
Oh. I have no problem with giving thanks in situations like this. What I have a problem with is expressions such as I mentioned that convey to the less fortunate (through no fault at all of their own), "God loves me and mine more than you and yours." Give your thanks in private prayer and keep your tactless mouth shut where those who lost much might hear your gloating. It is bit tactless of those who do so. I agree it comes across as gloating.
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Post by ken on Aug 27, 2014 19:53:26 GMT -6
Oh. I have no problem with giving thanks in situations like this. What I have a problem with is expressions such as I mentioned that convey to the less fortunate (through no fault at all of their own), "God loves me and mine more than you and yours." I couldn't agree more.
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Post by stevec on Aug 28, 2014 11:14:20 GMT -6
Oh. I have no problem with giving thanks in situations like this. What I have a problem with is expressions such as I mentioned that convey to the less fortunate (through no fault at all of their own), "God loves me and mine more than you and yours." I couldn't agree more. Where exactly are you and Dot in agreement?
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Post by ken on Aug 29, 2014 17:45:18 GMT -6
Where exactly are you and Dot in agreement? If I understood correctly, the whole statement
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Post by stevec on Aug 29, 2014 20:33:02 GMT -6
Where exactly are you and Dot in agreement? If I understood correctly, the whole statement Well, I'll give 1000 to 1 odds that Dot was referring to people like you who go gaga over miracle claims.
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Post by showmedot on Aug 30, 2014 15:38:51 GMT -6
No, actually, I was merely remarking about how inconsiderate and lacking in good manners it is to attribute to God that your stuff came through a disaster relatively undamaged while all your neighbors were hard hit. You may THINK so and choose to believe that's why, but you don't need to proclaim that on tv as the camera shows that every other house around yours was trashed. How are your neighbors probably camped out in hotels or staying with family or friends likely to feel watching you on tv basically rubbing it in that your house came through in good shape?
I applauded one woman interviewed on local tv after a tornado trashed most of her neighborhood. She simply remarked that her family was unusually fortunate, and she felt terribly sad for all those whose homes were damaged or destroyed. She added an appeal to viewers to donate to relief agencies of their choice and to volunteer if possible to aid the recovery of those suffering losses.
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Post by ken on Aug 31, 2014 18:10:11 GMT -6
If I understood correctly, the whole statement Well, I'll give 1000 to 1 odds that Dot was referring to people like you who go gaga over miracle claims. ?? ??
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Post by ken on Aug 31, 2014 18:17:32 GMT -6
I think there is some wisdom in your statement. There are times when it may be appropriate and there are times, such as what you just mentioned, that the best answer is "Let's help those in need and pray that they are comforted during these difficult times". I suppose that when a disaster has just hit and your emotions are running high with the cameras in your face, intelligence may run low and one isn't thinking at that moment on how it comes across. Factoring in the human emotional factor, I can understand how it would be difficult to think clearly at that time. Seeing people fumble over words and tripping over their tongue with just holding a microphone in front of 50 people. For that matter our Vice-President can make a habit of it no matter what.
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