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Post by ken on Dec 4, 2013 12:38:55 GMT -6
Otherwise, you'd be spending your Saturdays when not working stretched out in your recliner, watching football games, periodically yelling, "Hey, honey! Bring me another beer." In short, a real manly dude. IMO, hardly the definition of a "real manly dude". Is that your perspective? |
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Post by showmedot on Dec 5, 2013 4:09:16 GMT -6
Otherwise, you'd be spending your Saturdays when not working stretched out in your recliner, watching football games, periodically yelling, "Hey, honey! Bring me another beer." In short, a real manly dude. IMO, hardly the definition of a "real manly dude". Is that your perspective? It was a JOKE, Ken. And you only succeeded in looking like an ignorant idiot unable to recognize a joking reference to a tired old stereotype by taking what I said seriously. |
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Post by ken on Dec 5, 2013 9:48:17 GMT -6
IMO, hardly the definition of a "real manly dude". Is that your perspective? It was a JOKE, Ken. And you only succeeded in looking like an ignorant idiot unable to recognize a joking reference to a tired old stereotype by taking what I said seriously. Sorry. Sometimes jokes have a sharp edge. With comments like "looking like an ignorant idiot" -- I tend to lean on that you still have a joke with and edge. My, you have changed over the last year that we have been sharing. |
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Post by stevec on Dec 5, 2013 10:43:00 GMT -6
IMO, hardly the definition of a "rea manly dude". Is that your perspective? It was a JOKE, Ken. And you only succeeded in looking like an ignorant idiot unable to recognize a joking reference to a tired old stereotype by taking what I said seriously. Btw, you're only a manly man when you do that on both Saturday and Sunday, the latter after you go to church. It helps if your prosperity gospel preacher tells you that you've earned the right to behave that way, one of god's blessing of course. |
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Post by showmedot on Dec 5, 2013 11:12:04 GMT -6
It was a JOKE, Ken. And you only succeeded in looking like an ignorant idiot unable to recognize a joking reference to a tired old stereotype by taking what I said seriously. Btw, you're only a manly man when you do that on both Saturday and Sunday, the latter after you go to church. It helps if your prosperity gospel preacher tells you that you've earned the right to behave that way, one of god's blessing of course. True, Steve. A guy who acts like that while watching Monday Night Football is simply a redneck. |
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Post by Flitzerbiest on Dec 5, 2013 12:59:56 GMT -6
1. Pray for confession and deliverance from my "sin" (i.e. transgender thinking) 2. Progressively (particularly in the later years) extend my confession to trusted confidants. 3. Worship, study 4. Get rid of anything feminine I had (this is called purging in TG speak--most TG's have gone through this--it doesn't last long) 5. Expend a hell of a lot of effort trying to be a "normal man" First time you gave me anything to work with. Thank you. If I could start with #2. I think that is great. It is always wonderful to have trusted confidants that can stand with you during your journey. It is always great to have someone next to you that believes in you and lends an arm of support. In #1, I'm not sure what "Pray for confession" means unless what you are saying is "Confess by praying"? As I look at the first point, there are various aspects that I wouldn't subscribe to. The first would be "transgendered thinking" as a sin. IMV, to be free from any thought that is wrong basically is translates into being dead and in heaven. There are multiple scriptures that deal with it. I had this same problem but in a different area of difficulty--but I found out that wrong thoughts didn't translate into one being less than any other person or dictating who I, in reality, was. In essence, what I am saying is "having thoughts that are contrary to His desire" is something we all have to deal with and that having them doesn't translate into meaning that one is less than anyone else, doesn't translate into "God is angry" or that one is some sort of "sinner". For you it just happened to be transgendered thoughts. For someone else it could be wrong thoughts about the opposite sex, for a third it could be thoughts of fear of heights etc. 1) I am reminded that even Jesus had to deal with thoughts (with the three temptations of many) but combated them by speaking "It is written". So thinking something isn't a sin. He didn't pray to be delivered from it but rather resisted it--because in this earthly life period, one cannot be delivered from thoughts. 2) II Cor 10: 5 We use our powerful God-tools for smashing warped philosophies, tearing down barriers erected against the truth of God, fitting every loose thought and emotion and impulse into the structure of life shaped by Christ. MSG Again... just to point out that thoughts are something we all have to fight while we are on this earth. However, we can tear down the thoughts, emotions and impulses an reformat them so to speak. It is done every day. 3) ROM 10:2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. Reformatting ones thoughts is a process. It takes longer for some than others because it depends of the depth of the roots. But "transformed/metamorphoo" is a process of time and effort and the "renewing/renovation" dictates effort. The key remains in implementing what Jesus did--always respond to the thought with what was written. In my journey, I had to literally fight the thought every 5 minutes. After extreme effort it was every 10 minutes until it became once a day and today, when it comes, I simply give it no place and push it right back out. Hope this helps you too. You are son of God, an excellent teacher and I'm sure a great worship leader who definitely have what it takes. Kudos for actually answering a question. That said, isn't it obvious that you are presenting the exact same teaching that my church did? Does this make you any less inclined to say, "they taught you wrong?" |
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Post by ken on Dec 5, 2013 13:25:46 GMT -6
First time you gave me anything to work with. Thank you. If I could start with #2. I think that is great. It is always wonderful to have trusted confidants that can stand with you during your journey. It is always great to have someone next to you that believes in you and lends an arm of support. In #1, I'm not sure what "Pray for confession" means unless what you are saying is "Confess by praying"? As I look at the first point, there are various aspects that I wouldn't subscribe to. The first would be "transgendered thinking" as a sin. IMV, to be free from any thought that is wrong basically is translates into being dead and in heaven. There are multiple scriptures that deal with it. I had this same problem but in a different area of difficulty--but I found out that wrong thoughts didn't translate into one being less than any other person or dictating who I, in reality, was. In essence, what I am saying is "having thoughts that are contrary to His desire" is something we all have to deal with and that having them doesn't translate into meaning that one is less than anyone else, doesn't translate into "God is angry" or that one is some sort of "sinner". For you it just happened to be transgendered thoughts. For someone else it could be wrong thoughts about the opposite sex, for a third it could be thoughts of fear of heights etc. 1) I am reminded that even Jesus had to deal with thoughts (with the three temptations of many) but combated them by speaking "It is written". So thinking something isn't a sin. He didn't pray to be delivered from it but rather resisted it--because in this earthly life period, one cannot be delivered from thoughts. 2) II Cor 10: 5 We use our powerful God-tools for smashing warped philosophies, tearing down barriers erected against the truth of God, fitting every loose thought and emotion and impulse into the structure of life shaped by Christ. MSG Again... just to point out that thoughts are something we all have to fight while we are on this earth. However, we can tear down the thoughts, emotions and impulses an reformat them so to speak. It is done every day. 3) ROM 10:2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. Reformatting ones thoughts is a process. It takes longer for some than others because it depends of the depth of the roots. But "transformed/metamorphoo" is a process of time and effort and the "renewing/renovation" dictates effort. The key remains in implementing what Jesus did--always respond to the thought with what was written. In my journey, I had to literally fight the thought every 5 minutes. After extreme effort it was every 10 minutes until it became once a day and today, when it comes, I simply give it no place and push it right back out. Hope this helps you too. You are son of God, an excellent teacher and I'm sure a great worship leader who definitely have what it takes. Kudos for actually answering a question. That said, isn't it obvious that you are presenting the exact same teaching that my church did? Does this make you any less inclined to say, "they taught you wrong?" If that is what they taught you, then you obviously misrepresented them. What else did you misrepresent about them? |
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Post by stevec on Dec 5, 2013 14:18:57 GMT -6
Btw, you're only a manly man when you do that on both Saturday and Sunday, the latter after you go to church. It helps if your prosperity gospel preacher tells you that you've earned the right to behave that way, one of god's blessing of course. True, Steve. A guy who acts like that while watching Monday Night Football is simply a redneck. I forgot about Monday Night Football. I guess I'm not as manly as I thought. |
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Post by Flitzerbiest on Dec 5, 2013 14:41:34 GMT -6
Kudos for actually answering a question. That said, isn't it obvious that you are presenting the exact same teaching that my church did? Does this make you any less inclined to say, "they taught you wrong?" If that is what they taught you, then you obviously misrepresented them. What else did you misrepresent about them? Voila--Ken's true colors. He accuses me of lying and hiding when I have been practicing brutally honest self-disclosure as long as these fora have been active. He offers nothing but the same old schtick--confess, pray, study, resist, resist, resist, resist, resist. All very easy to say if you're not actually LGBT! |
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Post by showmedot on Dec 5, 2013 14:53:35 GMT -6
Yeah, because God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve who wrongly thinks he's actually Stephanie.
Poor Steve must pray for deliverance from his erroneous thinking.
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Post by ken on Dec 5, 2013 16:10:42 GMT -6
If that is what they taught you, then you obviously misrepresented them. What else did you misrepresent about them? Voila--Ken's true colors. He accuses me of lying and hiding when I have been practicing brutally honest self-disclosure as long as these fora have been active. He offers nothing but the same old schtick--confess, pray, study, resist, resist, resist, resist, resist. All very easy to say if you're not actually LGBT! Ahhh.... the true colors of Mr. Flitz. His best defense is to be offensive. First he represents his church as saying certain things and then turns around and says they taught something else. Proverbs comes to mind here: Prov 18:17 The first speech in a court case is always convincing - until the cross-examination starts! And your victim mentality doesn't work in the face of those who have already overcome. (I won't give the site again) |
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Post by Flitzerbiest on Dec 5, 2013 16:10:47 GMT -6
Any irony at all in the fact that I am being accused of misrepresenting my old church by someone who is so slippery in his posts in terms of concealing his opinions that we have to degrease our laptops twice a week?
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Post by ken on Dec 5, 2013 16:14:41 GMT -6
Any irony at all in the fact that I am being accused of misrepresenting my old church by someone who is so slippery in his posts in terms of concealing his opinions that we have to degrease our laptops twice a week? You are the one that misrepresented what they taught... not I. Sorry I had to call you on it. |
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Post by Flitzerbiest on Dec 5, 2013 16:22:36 GMT -6
Voila--Ken's true colors. He accuses me of lying and hiding when I have been practicing brutally honest self-disclosure as long as these fora have been active. He offers nothing but the same old schtick--confess, pray, study, resist, resist, resist, resist, resist. All very easy to say if you're not actually LGBT! Ahhh.... the true colors of Mr. Flitz. His best defense is to be offensive. First he represents his church as saying certain things and then turns around and says they taught something else. Proverbs comes to mind here: Prov 18:17 The first speech in a court case is always convincing - until the cross-examination starts! And your victim mentality doesn't work in the face of those who have already overcome. (I won't give the site again) Bullshit. You have a hell of a nerve to say I am backtracking on this when the entire conversation was read and is recalled by all present. Where have I ever contradicted myself on what the church opined regarding my gender identity? Who do you think is coming off as phony, Ken? |
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Post by Flitzerbiest on Dec 5, 2013 16:23:11 GMT -6
Any irony at all in the fact that I am being accused of misrepresenting my old church by someone who is so slippery in his posts in terms of concealing his opinions that we have to degrease our laptops twice a week? You are the one that misrepresented what they taught... not I. Sorry I had to call you on it. Where?!! Does anyone else reading this see that this is the case? |
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